Gates Orders Review Of Marines’ Role

August 12th, 2010 (28) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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Los Angeles Times:

Reporting from San Francisco — Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates is ordering a review of the future role of the Marine Corps amid ” anxiety” that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had turned the service into a “second land army.”

The review would seek to define a 21st century combat mission for the Marines that is distinct from the Army’s, because the Marines “do not want to be, nor does America need” another ground combat force, Gates said in prepared remarks for a speech at Marines’ Memorial Theatre in San Francisco on Thursday to a group that included retired Marines and foreign policy experts.

Gates is on a two-day trip to California. He met with sailors onboard the destroyer Higgins on Thursday and plans to attend a training ceremony for Navy Seals on Friday.

In ordering the Pentagon review, Gates was deepening a long-running debate about the role of the Marine Corps, including whether one of its main missions — amphibious assaults against fortified coastlines — has become obsolete because of the changing nature of warfare and advances in precision weaponry.

Gates is seeking $100 billion in budget savings from the military services and Pentagon bureaucracies, though he intends to invest the money in weapons programs. Given the unwavering support for the Marines in Congress, there is little chance the service would be eliminated or see its budget significantly reduced.

Gates noted that anxiety about the future of the Marines stems from the “perception … that they have become too heavy, too removed from their expeditionary roots.”

In a question-and-answer session with sailors aboard the Higgins earlier in the day, Gates said, “I think they’ve gotten too big,” and he predicted that the service would shrink in coming years.

Such statements only intensify worries among serving and retired Marines about the future. But Gates sought to reassure his audience that he continued to see a major future role for the service.

The review will be conducted by Gen. James F. Amos, the incoming Marine commandant, and by Navy Secretary Ray Mabus. The Marines are a component of the Navy Department.

The review, Gates said, would make recommendations about what “expeditionary forces in readiness would look like.” It “should not lose sight of the Marines’ greatest strengths,” he said, including “a broad portfolio of capabilities” and its adaptability.

“The Marines’ unique ability to project combat capability from the sea under uncertain conditions — forces quickly able to protect and sustain themselves — is a capability that America has needed in this past decade and will require in the future,” he added.

Like all the services, the Marine Corps has been forced in Iraq and Afghanistan to undertake counterinsurgency warfare, experiences that Gates said “well position” the Corps for the types of wars the U.S. is likely to face in the near future.

But as the demands on the Marines have grown, so have its size and its approach to warfare.

Marines have found themselves in long, difficult deployments in the toughest parts of Iraq and Afghanistan. The number of Marines has grown from 175,000 to more than 200,000, another departure from its historical role as a small, elite force trained to move quickly and strike hard. There are currently 20,000 Marines in Afghanistan’s Helmand province.

Gates said he did not want to preempt the review’s findings, but he noted that “it is proper to ask whether large-scale amphibious assault landings” are feasible because advances in anti-ship missiles would require troop-carrying ships to remain “25, 40 or even 60 miles” away from shore.

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  • Kirk

    I don’t like the sound of, “budget savings”, when the axe falls, will spare parts, etc… become as it was during the Clinton years? Targeting the Marines for this, “Review”, sounds like some kind of retaliation. Don’t want to go gay? Review! Leave the Marines alone. If they want to save money, stop shuttling politicians, their wives, children, and friends, all over the planet.

  • http://patdollard.com USMC 3112

    Mullah fucking ozero and the lib’s fear a hard charging Marine Corps because we are the Nations Elite Fighting Force. Of course, spineless lib’s don’t like confident Alpha Males who like to kill people and brake things. This is NOT THE TIME TO REDUCE OUR FORCE Structure and Readiness. Guys are on their 4th and 5th deployments! Wake up :!: :!: this is a long drawn out war :!: We need every single Marine and Soldier that can pull a trigger :!: It is us hard chargers, that will one day have to be engaged in the fight with China,Russia,and every fucking piece of shit muuuuuuslim country that means us harm :!: The Army brass can’t even rat out a Radicalized muuuuuslim Doctor that murdered Soldiers at Ft.Hood,for fear of being labeled a “RACIST” No disrespect to any Soldier reading this. I think you get what I’m trying to say. Our Military is being cut way to much. Does this fall under fucking zero’s attempt to build a volunteer civilian force that is just as large just as tough” The Marine Corps Does not need to be reduced, Like Gen Conway mentioned, we have to get back to the basics of Marine Corps War fighting. Tough balance to engage when you are in the fight in two Countries and other mission requirements that the Marine Corps is Constitutionally required to accomplish. This is fucking bull shit. Fuck you Gates have a spine,fuck you obama you candy ass muuuuuuslim piece of shit. :!: :!: :!: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

    • aboutTObegin

      :beer: :beer: :beer:
      :gun: :gun: :gun:

      -aTb

  • Infidel

    Hurahhhh! Sounds good USMC 2112. Coming from an old Army guy, I have unconditional respect for the Marines. Gates should review history and notice that the Marines were engaged in a couple of other “land” wars like they are now. Like WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf War. It’s not broke, don’t “fix” it.

  • Richard

    W T F???????0_0

    You must be shittin me into your grandma’s depends!! Gates is turning into some blue/green playdough sparkle FUCKIN TROJAN FUCKIN HORSEY! WHAT IN GOD’S GREEN EARTH ALLOWS THIS MAN to EVEN consider a lesser role for the BELOVED CORPS??? Surely,,,he has been injected with some commie spy potion to even have those VILE FUCKIN WORDS exit his speak hole WITHOUT WIPING AFTERWORDS AN HAVING THE GRACE TO GIVE A FUCKIN COURTESY FLUSH prior to finishing that foul sentence!………..AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    Marines have historically always gotten a SHIT SANDWICH WITH NO BREAD!

    I for one, WANT NO ONE ELSE ON THE WALL given the present smoke signals from the middle east…. DAMN!! WHO THE FUCK ADVISES THIS ASSHAT ANYWAY???………Oh thats right……

  • NICK

    THEY JUST DONT WANT THE FORCE TO OVER THROW THEM IN THE COMING YEARS. IF YOU TAKE OUT THE FORCE THAT CAN ACTUALLY DEFEND AGAINST THE TRUE DOMESTIC ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES, WHICH IS THE NEW WASHINGTON, THEN THERE IS NOTHING IN THE DEMS WAY FOR A TOTAL COMMUNIST TAKE OVER.

  • NICK

    IM IN THE ARMY AND IT MAKES ME SICK TO SEE MY OWN FORCE BENDING OVER FOR THESE BASTARDS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. PEOPLE REALLY WOULDNT BELEIVE THE KIND OF CRAP THEY TRY TO FORCE ON US THESE DAYS. ALL THE TOUCHY FEELY PROGRAMS. THEY ARE TRYING TO DRIVE OUT THE REAL SOLDIERS AND BRING THE NEW LIBRALIZED ARMY.

  • Monkey3531

    I still remember a drill instructor lecturing us on why “every frick’n damn thing you do, needs to be done to perfection. You got that nasties? And ya know why? Because they are always looking for a reason to get rid of the Corps.” At the time I just thought he was trying to give us some moto but now, this fucknugget Gates is turning my drill instructor into a prophet. Where does this motherfucker Gates get off? You want to look for a place to save $$$? Here’s a start, when you go to war, don’t do it with one hand tied behind you’re back you little bitch. We would have been done in Iraq 2-3 years ago if you pussies in our “government” would have just let the American forces fight. Same for A-stan. Why did you assholes wait so long to send a portion (a fucking portion?) of what the CG in A-stan asked for? As for my beloved Corps and the wonderful Devil Dogs who you think are removed from being expeditionary…how soon after 9/11/01 were there MEU boots on the ground? Gates you can go fuck yourself until it pops out the top of your head, and any other gov’t types who support this bullshit can do the same thing.

  • trustme1013

    This is the worst damn idea I’ve ever heard of. The last thing this country needs is to be caught with our hands down our pants when war comes a-knockin.

    What the FUCK are we gonna do when all hell breaks out with Iran and NK and the Muzzie-East? Go on a fucking apology tour? Hells bells, no! God willing, we will have the nation’s FINEST there to kick some damn ass and take names. Who’s going to do it? The Navy? The Air Force? FUCK, NO. The MARINES are going to do it!

    To paraphrase (ok, whatever) Col. Jessup from A Few Good Men, “we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? …you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall…I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.”

    These FUCKS have no idea what having the Marines even means to the rest of the world. Downsize the USMC means inviting holy hell onto this country’s sovereignty.

    In addition, when the world devolves into the hand-to-mouth third-world hell-hole that Dear Leader is trying his damnedest to get us into, we’re going to need the Marines. We’re going to need them so much harder than we’ve needed anything in this country.

    Worst. Idea. Ever.

  • Sentinel at the Gate

    To all Marines; past, present and future. You have remained honorable and kept your heads held high in the midst of all this bullshit that has been going on since the Clinton regime. Please continue to do so, even in the face of this tyranny.

    Gates is without a doubt a tool of the Playtime POTUS and is doing Playtime Obongo’s bidding here in this “review” of the Marine Corps mission. Gates is engaged in treasonous actions along with the rest of these moral midgets and will ultimately pay the price for his acts.

    Right now, the Dhimmis are so over extended and our country so broke, they are faced with cutting our defense or cutting entitlements. They know cutting entitlements will keep their bum voting base away from the polls in November so logic for them is to cut defense.

    These Muzzielovers have absolutely no regard for the men and women of the military and feel they would be better served with domestic forces armed with AK-47s and broadswords to kill and maim the US citizens.
    Fortunate for us and not for them, the Marines know the difference between a legal order and tyrannical dictatorship.

    The only thing wrong with the Marines is that there’s not enough of them, in my opinion. Wish the regular Army had the same code as the Marines, we’d be a whole lot better. Fortunately, I was never “regular Army” but spent my time being “unconventional” and never had to deal with all the namby-pamby bullshit.

    Go Marines!

    De Opresso Liber
    Sentinel

  • http://comcast.com Jon

    This stinks of the late 1940′s after WW II and the early 1950′s. Read President Trumans comments.

    “For your information the Marine Corps is the Navy’s police force and as long as I am President that is what it will remain. They have a propaganda machine that is almost equal to Stalin’s.”
    -President Harry S. Truman, 1950

    Marines Beware! We may have to form another Chowder Society.

    In the face of almost overwhelming obstacles, a group of some twelve Marine officers maneuvered to preserve the Marine Corps. These officers, collectively known as the Chowder Society, helped defeat the proposed legislation. Some of these officers helped draft the National Security Act of 1947, the legislation that spells out Marine Corps roles and missions even today.

  • wwtd

    Pin the swingin dick on the donkey. There’s still a whole lot a coastline clownboy. Get back under the desk where Uwe belong. Bends and thrusts…begin.

  • lastconservativeblackmanonearth

    One of my sons will be joining the Corps in January … Marine Officer, Quantico … he’s ready … he’s strapped … he’s eager to ‘git it on’ … with reports like these, I’m more than concerned about the poor quality of military leadership … should I be? should I be talking my son out of it?

    • Sentinel at the Gate

      Not in the Marines!

    • Sentinel at the Gate

      If you want to talk your son out of the Marines, talk him into the SEALs, Rangers or SF. Otherwise, he’s going to be in a service that has HONOR!

  • bacngreasenapalm

    The fags in D.C. are just scared to death of the Corps, they’d do anything to get rid of ALL the real men of this country.
    -Off subject: Am I the only person in the world who thinks it’s pretty fucked up to send a thousand U.S. Marines to That festering shithole of Pakistan to aid flood victims when the’re supposed to be in the region to respond to Iranan provocation? Especially now that they have attacked a Japanese tanker in the straight of Hormuz and every second brings us closer to a war with them! WTF?

  • richwill

    Sentinel: You used the key word “honor.” This administration and all its sycophants abhor the word honor. Honor is sadly lacking in our society and government. Hussein and his minions have screwed up the most of the economy and now will screw up the military.

    • Sentinel at the Gate

      Rich,
      Their word is “dishonor”; always has been the word and actions of the left. Their genetic make-up will not allow them to rise from the primordial pool of cess from which whey are spawned. If I didn’t know better, I would say these creatures were never any part of the heterosexual re-creation of species.

  • Richard

    IN CLOSING………
    :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: TO MY SON!

    Currently FIGHTIN n SLEEPIN in the dirt somewhere near the ******/Afgan slit.

    Gold Bless and Keep the 1ST MAR DIV!!!!!!!!!!

    THEY ARE who I WANT ON THE WALL :beer: :beer: :beer: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

  • wbradss

    Gets worse every hour. :cry:

  • prestonsbrooks

    :shock: The US government has been usurped by communists and muslims, led by secret agent 0, barry ‘i give blowjobs’ soetoro. I look for them to disband the Corps. Is anyone capable of stopping these insurgents? in less than 2 years the entire government has been overthrown! Is there no true American leader who can stop this insanity? Watch for an attack on Iran. It will allow his muslim allies in Iran to wipe out every American serviceman in theatre! I bet his plan is to wipe out the entire US Armed Forces!

  • Tim Roesch – pseudo intellectual

    Have you guys forgotten this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

    Civilian National Security Force

    Can’t have that AND the Marines,now can we?

    Sounds like fightin’ words, Gates.

  • Phil Byler

    Obama does not like the Marines. So Gates, by holding a review, is attempting to placate a White House desire to declare the U.S. Marines obsolete.

    Short answer: the U.S. Marines are among America’s finest and will never be obsolete.

    Solution: Get rid of Obama.

  • IRONMIKE

    Guns Up! 0331 – Grunt with a big gun. What are we waiting for?

  • tahDeetz

    1963 Communist Goals

    #3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of “moral strength.”

    The United States Marine Corp is a major impediment to this.

    tD

  • Barb

    Screw Gates!! Long live the Marines!!

  • Just1Marine

    By stick, stone, brick, bottle, or bullet we will defend this country.

    Thank God for our Corps and The Oath Keepers!!!
    Semper Fi

    Just1Marine

  • Bill