Mexico, U.S., Question Proposal To Legalize Drugs To Stop Insurgency

August 9th, 2010 (59) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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MEXICO CITY (AP) – A former Mexican president’s proposal to legalize drugs as a way of breaking the economic power of drug cartels is stoking debate inside his country and bringing opposition in Washington.

One thing most experts agreed on is that the idea is unlikely to prosper without similar moves to legalize or regulate the sale of drugs in the United States, the main consumer of drugs from Mexico.

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When former President Vicente Fox wrote in a blog Sunday that “we should consider legalizing the production, distribution and sale of drugs,” it was the most far-reaching and high-ranking stand for legalization yet in Mexico, where more than 28,000 people have died during the current administration’s war against drug cartels.

Fox belongs to the same conservative National Action Party of current President Felipe Calderon, who said last week that he was open to a debate on legalizing drugs, even though he opposes the idea.

The increased talk of legalization by even conservative Mexican politicians comes amid growing frustration with the government’s use of the military to fight brutal cartels, a strategy that has captured or killed high-ranking traffickers but caused violence to surge.

The U.S. State Department said Monday that “the question of debating the legalization of drugs is for Mexicans to decide.”

But a State Department spokeswoman who was not authorized to be quoted by name also said that the department’s position is that “we don’t believe legalization is the answer.”

A similar view was expressed by the Mexican anti-crime group Citizen’s Council for Public Safety.

“The legalization proposal is mistaken, because it shows a lack of understanding of Mexico’s problem and avoids the main cause, which is quite simply the government’s loss of the monopoly on the use of force,” the group said, referring to cartels that confront security forces with grenades, automatic weapons and now car bombs.

Others say the timing of the debate was determined by events in the United States. Voters in California will go to the polls to decide in November on Proposition 19, which would allow adults to possess up to one ounce of marijuana and local governments to tax its sales.

“They (Mexican officials) are very afraid that California will legalize marijuana,” said Samuel Gonzalez, a former top anti-drug prosecutor.

“For the government it would be disastrous for California to legalize, while we here are still saying don’t let drugs get to your children,’ ” Gonzalez said, referring to a government ad campaign that seeks to justify Mexico’s anti-drug strategy.

“I favor regulating the market … medicinal marijuana is an attempt to regulation,” Gonzalez said, “But legalization, never, ever.”

Jorge Chabat, a Mexican expert on drug cartels, said that “in my opinion, legalize everything and regulate everything … that could really affect the finances of the drug cartels, especially if the government were the supplier” of drugs.

Chabat said marijuana remains an important source of income for the cartels.

In an interview with a radio station over the weekend, Calderon acknowledged “that could be true.”

But he warned that “completely freeing the drug market and even reducing prices are two factors that could push millions and millions of youths to consume drugs.”

Just about everyone agrees Mexico probably can’t or won’t legalize on its own.

“If there isn’t a generalized, universal legalization policy across the world, and mainly in the main drug consumer, the United States, there won’t even be any economic benefits, because the price is determined by the American market,” Calderon said.

Chabat said if the U.S. doesn’t take that path, “they won’t be able to do it here … the pressure of the United States would be brutal.”

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  • T-Bagg

    I don’t see why drugs aren’t legal anyway. Do that shit like cigarettes which aren’t exactly good for you. For 18 and up only. If someone chooses to destroy themselves so be it. Don’t let me stand in your way. It’s natural selection.

  • ji

    I agree with T-Bagg.
    Just have as strict or stricter laws as you do now, if caught with them.
    And let employment be conditioned on that also.

  • http://patdollard.com AverageJoe

    ji & t-bagg sound like typical obama-tool trolls………. I worked in drug rehab for a long time going to college in the 70′s/early 80′s.

    For the most part, DRUG REHAB DOES NOT WORK UNTIL SOMEONE HAS GONE TO JAIL & BEEN FORCED IN TO REHAB OR ELSE…

    Also, Drug Rehab should be a min or 120 days (no fucking way 14-28 days, that is a joke).

    And you LEGALIZE DRUG FUCKS CAN GO TO HELL………I am willing to send you there.

    • T-Bagg

      AverageJoe,
      Tisk, tisk, tisk…
      It seems to me, after skimming through these comments, you’re more of a troll than I am. Lighting people up only because their opinion differs from yours. Threatening bodily harm, please.
      Outlaw drugs because they hurt people? Tobacco and alcohol are both legal. During prohibition alcohol was a major source of income for the gang world. Just like drugs are now.
      Guns hurt people, we should definitely outlaw those.
      I bet a dollar I could kill you with my car or truck more easily than I could kill you with a joint or a needle.
      I’m definitely your, “typical Obama-tool troll.” I’ve been around this site since damn near the beginning. I’ve seen more contributers come and go from this site than you’ve turned on and off your caps locks to type ridiculous comments.
      Education and responsible use is the key to it. Much the same way it is with tobacco, alcohol, motor vehicles and firearms. Of course the use should be denied to certain people, civil employees, military, doctors and such.
      Send me to Hell will you? :lol: I don’t think you’ve got it in you. But if you think you do… Well, I’m your huckleberry.

  • richwill

    The USA has spent billions of dollars on the so-called war on drugs. Drugs are a more pervasive problem now than before the war. Prohibition never stopped people from drinking and making drugs illegal has certainly stopped no person from using that wanted to use. Demonstration of how ridiculous this country is about drugs is that a person in severe pain and is terminal cannot get a morphine drip because that person will be addicted. It is worth a try to legalize drugs and if it doesn’t work, make them illegal again. We really should address the reason people are so inclined to use drugs in our society, this is the real problem.

    • John454

      It’s not a society problem it’s a human one. Drugs are fun and they feel good it’s that simple.

      Education and responsible usage should be the goal.

  • Birdddog

    People kill others all the time for drugs. Legalizing them would spark all kinds of shit here. Instead of the “war on drugs” you would end up having the “war for drugs”.

  • ZenDraken

    The drug cartels will never allow this; the price of drugs would fall and they’d lose money.

  • John454

    What happened to the gangsters when alcohol prohibition ended?

    Prohibition doesn’t work, never has never will. Look at what the war on drugs has acomplished if you need any proof.

    • GHOST DOG

      What happened to the gangsters???They certainly didn’t disappear, they went on to new and different ways of making money illicitly. Why, I’ll bet that some of them even went into government! Which drugs should we legalize? Marijuana, you say….hmmmm….lets see…”Hey kid….you tired of that old buzz from that legal grass??? Here…try a little chrystal ‘M’ laced in that joint.. don’t worry! Now, just a little will do it! Don’t believe those stodgy old fucks..YOU won’t get hooked!” Something else to think about….the cartels want to make money. They will also go on to bigger and better ways of making it. They MUST be erradicated.

    • John454

      If it was legalized and REGULATED like alcohol kids wouldn’t get it so easy.

      In high school I could get almost any drug in an hour or so, not so with alcohol.

  • 0311Yutyut

    Look how many people are murdered each and every day. Murder is illegal, but people continue to do it anyway. Let’s just make murder legal, since people are gonna do it anyway.

    • CplUsmc

      And people immigrate illegally, so lets just give them amnesty. If you believe in tightening borders, the same logic should apply to all laws. You don’t solve a problem by legalizing it. You disncentivize the breaking of our law.

  • CplUsmc

    Free up prison space, save money and keep clean streets. Go the opposite route of legalizing drugs. Make the distribution of drugs a capital offense. And bring back the handy dandy firing squad.

    • John454

      Kinda like how the taliban deals with smokers, drinkers, and drug users right? :roll:

    • http://patdollard.com AverageJoe

      CplUsmc,
      That works very well for me………

      All of you FUCKING STUPID “legalize it” SHITHEADS will enjoy dying at the hands of the methheads, coked-outs, and stoners driving or just killing folks for funs.

      FUCKING IDIOTS.

    • John454

      You forgot to add drunks to that list.

  • Tyler520

    Arguments in favor of legalization are bullshit – there is no social value to it, whatsoever. The very notion is an abandonment of morals and ethics; it is quite amazing how much in common hardcore leftists and hardcore libertarians have in common.

    The argument in favor of legalization can be applied to EVERY SINGLE elicit or illegal act in the country: “people murder, yet it is illegal…fuck it, just legalize murder!”

    Secondly, the legalization of elicit hardcore drugs will not provide revenue – every state that has experimented with the legalization of pot has proven that it does not provide the state with any significant taxable income, and that regulatory measures to ensure proper control and taxation are just as economically burdensome as outlawing it all together.

    Does anyone actually think the cartels will simply let go of their revenue source? Fuck no, they won’t. By legalizing the drug, you legalize the cartel by proxy – cartels become corporations, free to operate with the blessing of the law itself. Companies that take advantage of these new “market products” will dope them up with the exact same additives they already do to ensure people are hooked for good

    • John454

      Let’s say you want some drugs. Would you prefer to deal with these types or buy from a licensed and regulated safe source?

      Legalizing drugs is what drug cartels don’t want.

    • Tyler520

      Legalize it, or not, the cartels will NOT let it slip through their fingers. They will simply establish legal corporations to continue to business as usual.

      Would I rather buy drugs from the black market, or a licensed and regulated ‘safe’ source? Firstly, the very notion is contradictory. Secondly, I’d rather just put a .22 in the dealer AND user’s head to save everyone some trouble.

    • John454

      Again you people share alot of similarities with fundamental muslims. Don’t like their way of life? Just kill ‘em right?

    • Tyler520

      You have yet to defend yourself against the fact that you have far more in common with Leftists than ANY socially or politically conservative human being – period

    • John454

      Is that what this debate is about? I guess I was mistaken.

      If that’s what you want to talk about instead fine.

      Truth be told I’ve followed this site since it’s first year, donated on more than one occasion, and consider myself conservative in many aspects of politics. I guess I just differ on this one.

      Does this mean I can’t be a part of your club now? :cry:

  • John454

    Comparing getting high to murder…. :roll:

    If I want to get high that is my business it hurt’s no one else. Look at the death rates of alcohol and TOBACCO compared to all illegal drugs, shit tobacco alone beats them all COMBINED. And I bet at least a few of you anti-drug people are smokers AND drinkers. But thats OK right? :roll:

    Personally I’m tired of the government or any of you for that matter telling anyone else how they should or should not live.

    Bottom line is the black market is what put these drug cartels in power in the first place. You can’t say otherwise.

    How long has this pointless fight been going on now? How much money and man power has been wasted? And how much of an effect has any of it had on drug use?

    • Tyler520

      sounds like you might find great comradery over at Huff Po or Daily Kos…you know, they typical mentally and emotionally challenged drug using kind of people

    • Tyler520

      Oh, and no, I neither smoke nor drink – I am not that mentally or emotionally shallow.

      I shall safely wager that you are a supporter of Ron Paul

    • John454

      Awesome rebuttal. :lol:

    • Tyler520

      I know, i know – I lost your battle of stupidity before it started. I am WAY out of my league in this competition!

    • John454

      :lol:

  • Kirk

    It’s the consequences to all of us for the actions of the one that uses illegal drugs. It’s a chain reaction. The user tries something and then gets hooked, problem is, no more money to buy more; solution: steal the money. This happens every day, not to mention the car wrecks, train wrecks, etc… If someone has a wreck and they have this crap in their system, they should get 100% of the blame. No doubt everyone’s car insurance will skyrocket. Personally, I don’t care if someone wants to smoke a turd, but I don’t want to be effected by it. Also, while we are on the subject of crime, all gang-bangers are collectively guilty of one crime or another, and should all hang together. That’s my 2-cents worth. :gun:

  • V. Berner

    Tyler520, do you support the banning of alcohol and tobacco?

    • Tyler520

      It’s already partially ‘banned.’ Just because sad, pathetic individuals engage in socially destructive behavior (which is only legal because it had already established a stranglehold on society) doesn’t justify the ‘need’ to open society up to a wider variety of socially destructive behavior.

    • V. Berner

      So, I take that as a no? You’d rather we pass laws making alcohol completely (not “partially”) illegal? Do I understand your position correctly?

  • American

    The solution is for Americans to grab their nutsacks and kill every fucking illegal immigrant in this country and put tanks on the border.If you hire an illegal you should be shot for treason.People are always going to use drugs and legalization or regulation is not going to work either.The fucking leave it to beaver days are over in the USA.It’s time to start fucking shooting these cocksuckers and take our country back before they open up their damn trojan horse and kill us.

  • Chuck O

    Since Vicente Fox seems to be all hot and bothered over legalizing drugs, why didn’t he do it when he was Mexico’s president?

  • http://patdollard.com AverageJoe

    Pat, please announce the email addresses of Trolls John454 & V. Berner……..

    and if anyway possible, please if any of you real techies know how to find these assholes street addresses from their IPs, they need to have their abhorrent activity here discussed in person.

    • John454

      Wow, you really don’t like opposing opinions do you? Last I checked this was America, in which we have the freedom of speech.

      This is a place for DISCUSSION. Trolls are people who talk shit, can’t handle an honest debate, and threaten harm to those they disagree with.(that would be you).

      What exactly have I done here that was so abhorent you want my home address?

    • V. Berner

      Sure, I will give you my name and address.

      Sarah Palin
      1140 W PARKS HWY
      WASILLA, AK 99654

      In an interview I had with CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20008091-503544.html):

      “And if somebody’s gonna smoke a joint in their house and not do anybody else any harm, then perhaps there are other things our cops should be looking at to engage in and try to clean up some of the other problems that we have in society.”

  • mike3481

    The idea of legalizing drugs is so idiotic it’s not debatable.

    However, I come from the point of view of having grown up on the Cali Central Coast, so I’ve seen things that 99% of Americans don’t even know exist.

    Let’s start with who is at the BASE ROOT of advancing this idea of legalization, well, it is aging 60’s hippies who are old enough to claim through real, imagined or faked illness that the only thing that can help them is pot. They fail to mention/confess that they’ve been smoking pot daily for 40 years.

    They also fail to mention the rising price of pot and cocaine.

    Today it takes $38,500 to get a kilo of cocaine into the U.S., in 1980 it was $5,000 to $6,000 per kilo and I have no idea how much pot costs, but the end game is that pot will be “medically necessary” and then the taxpayers will end up footing the bill…YES…I KNOW THESE CLOWNS.

    People, it’s not about legalizing drugs…IT’S ABOUT FREE DRUGS THAT THE REST OF AMERICA PAYS FOR!

    Take a long, slow drive through Santa Cruz, Ca. and witness what a self-avowed socialist city government comprised of aging hippy types have created there.
    Most of it ain’t close to being pretty.

    One large neighborhood in particular, “Beach Flats”, right behind the “World Famous” Santa Cruz Beach and Boardwalk, don’t go at night, during the daytime only. For 40 plus years, Beach Flats has been an eye-sore and a den to every type of illegal drug imaginable, it’s also an area, due to it’s location, that developer types drool over but don’t go near cos the city government doesn’t consider it, enforcing drug laws, a priority. As a result this area’s “life style” is increasing in size decade by decade and it takes just a bit of common sense to realize that the city would be, in short order, dammed near swallowed-up by the Beach Flat’s drug culture if drugs were legalized.

    Eventually, our country would be swallowed-up by that very same drug culture and remember, the goal isn’t legalizing drugs… it’s FREE DRUGS…at taxpayer expense.

    The addiction rate for illegal drugs and yes, including pot, is more than 70%, PERIOD. That’s why they’re illegal.

    The addiction rate for alcohol and tobacco is 20% to 30%. That’s why it is still legal.

    So, you still want to legalize drugs?

    • John454

      :lol:

      You might want to check your “facts” again.

    • mike3481

      You’re clueless.

      Go smoke another bowl why don’t you. :roll:

    • John454

      Call me clueless AFTER you’ve done some research, then get back to me.

  • John454

    If you need the help check out the death rates of those LEGAL drugs(alcohol, tobacco) vs. the ILLEGAL drugs.

    • mike3481

      Which would be promptly reversed if drugs where legalized.

      Are you actually so fucking stupid, so lacking in common sense as to not realize that drug use would skyrocket when the stigma of it being illegal was removed.

      Oh wait, yeah, you are. :roll:

    • John454

      Then I guess the only logical thing to do would be to make alcohol and tobacco illegal also right? I’m sold.

    • mike3481

      When you finally grow up and people you know, start dropping dead in their 20′s and 30s from their use of illegal drugs maybe then you’ll get it and stop believing the so-called facts your friends/teachers /MSM Marxists keep reciting.

      And yeah, I know people who caused their death by using alcohol and or tobacco, but they were in their 70′s.

      Here’s hoping you’re not a casualty of the re-emerging 1970′s drug culture. :beer:

    • John454

      Yeah you’re right I don’t know anyone who died from alcohol in their teens and twenties.

      And my views are mine not from friends, teachers, or government funded propaganda.

  • MarkF

    John 454
    Stand your ground John. I dont think legalizing drus would necessarily change things for the better but the staus quo sure aint working. Debating issues is the American way. I do not use drugs but I know they are easily available and always will be.

    As for asshats who ask for the addresses of those with opposing viewpoints, why dont you join the fucking communist party. Shutting down opposing viewpoints with threats is a tool of the left. Making threats on a blog is juvenile and the mark of a true pussy. Patriots do not all have the exact same viewpoints and when you start thinking that you are the lord of talking points then you are no better than the elitist libtards currently in power.

    • John454

      Thank you sir.

      It’s nice to see someone who can disagree without resorting to threats and name calling.

      While Bush was President this place was my refuge from the left and their ignorance and hate. Now this place seems to have become just that. I’ve been drifting away from this place for these very reasons.

      Good to see a few level headed people still remain though.

      Respect to you sir.

  • MarkF

    Verbal slings and arrows I can live with. Threatening to hunt you down is over the line.

    Such activites should be reserved for child molesters and terrorists :) God Bless America

  • kim

    I don’t know folks, I look at my ate up sister who has smoked dope nonstop for 30 years and it ain’t pretty. Butthole lips and no brain not good.

  • MarkF

    Discussing alternate ways of dealing with the drug problem is the same as advocating drug use.

    My son does not use drugs not because he cant find them but because I talked to him about the dangers of drug use.

    Again I am not saying legalization is the answer. But could the billions that are being spent be used better? Would you rather pay to reserve jail space for a drug user or a violent criminal?

    • MarkF

      Correction:
      Discussing alternate ways of dealing with the drug problem is ‘NOT’ the same as advocating drug use.

    • T-Bagg

      Wait, you mean he’s stayed on a clean path due to education? You didn’t have to kill him? You’re not making any sense.

      AverageJoe, you hearing this guy?
      You should probably ask for his address so you can threaten his life. :roll:

      I drink damn right(I’m a weekend and social drinker), and smoke the occasional cigarette(not often though, gotta keep my breath kissable fresh.) And I’ve smoked weed a couple times, years ago. Found it wasn’t for me, too boring. The rest, I won’t touch, too gross too damaging. Ya know why, education. I’ve seen what that other shit does. Just like eduction has kept countless number of people away from the smokes and booze so has it with drugs. If a person decides he/she wants it they will get it, legal or not.
      Like I said above, if a person chooses to destroy/kill themselves with a needle or a pipe so be it. Don’t let me stand in your way to suicide and don’t expect me to cry at your funeral. It’s natural selection.

  • Montizzle

    Comprising all the viewpoints on this post, it seems, apparently, that the topic of drugs, how to regulate them or whether or not to legalize them and why the users of those drugs commit the violence, criminal activity or even, sometimes,the negligence associated with their adult responsibilities is a broad subject.

    I however, conclude that neither tobacco, alcohol or drugs are good to any extent. Although, I will defend the claim that drugs are more catastrophic to the body and more negatively influential to an idiot who so decides to use them.

    Now, I know nobody who commented on this post is saying that they doubted the harmful effects of either of those substances :lol: . But, it more so appears that the trickle-down effect of the unnecessary use of either is what is frustrating and a big stinking weight on all the the American taxpayers head.

    Why should I, as an honest working, well disciplined worker be forced with picking up the slack of an irresponsible citizen? I shouldn’t have to. This is America, where everybody is equal in respect and rewarded differently (better or not as good as the other individual) according to their choices in life. That is what the issue is here, really. That is what it really comes down to.

    Like the welfare system, I don’t think those who smoke tobacco or drink alcohol or do drugs should be eligible for welfare checks and whatnot from the American government. Why? Because neither are a necessity to survival and prosperity. Don’t like it? Tough. Get a new hobby. Plus, neither are beneficial (long-term) to your health, which is all the MORE reason not to use them. And yes…there are medical purposes for such, but only upon good judgment.

    Also, if anybody has ever seen the movie “Lord of War” with actor Nicolas Cage, you will see the resemblance of the business of drugs and firearms worldwide. Most dope heads fail to realize what the money they used to get their fix is really used for.

    And I agree with what mike3481 mentioned (I think it was him), the cartels and those in command positions will adapt in their business and find other means or ways to carry out their increasingly influential and grossly negative/destructive behavior.

    Now, to some visitors of Pat’s site, this, what I’m about to say may have relevance to the matter.

    Remember in the Bible or Book of Mormon…the beginning of time (in the preexistence, before earth was created), there was a war being waged in Heaven between Satan and God. The issue was liberty. Liberty to choose for yourself and accept the consequences for such behavior that is abominable in the eyes of God and prosperity of the soul.

    God wanted all his children to follow all his commandments so we can be with him again later. But that task includes disagreement with one another. And that is where we must be the most influential we can be.

    In the scriptures there are stories where the armies that are blessed by God would confront their enemy and and just before the start of the bloodshed, the leader of God’s army would ask and provide a way to repentance to become one again with their brothers. From such example, we today, can carry out the same.

    As General Patton said years ago (and I sum it up), “We are in the business of winning.” Well, we Americans need to embody that same attitude in fighting back against those who resent us and not back down in our original, righteous moral obligations. We gotta roll over the competition.

    And another quote from former president Ronald Reagan, “No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” And that is assuming we’re responsible citizens.

    Good post, Pat. :smile:

  • mike3481

    Montizzle :arrow:

    It wasn’t me, it was Tyler520 who posted that.

    And Tyler520 is, I believe, more than likely correct, that if currently illegal drugs are legalized, the narco-insurgent cartels will morph into legitimate corporations which is something the Al Capone’s et al of U.S. history could not comprehend because there was no historical model known to them to build upon, which is what the narco-insurgent cartels have done…

    AND, the subsequent combination of political corruption and societal decline will sink the U.S. to depths the U.S. has never seen.

    Then think about this, what it would take to save the United States of America?

    I’m thinking 1791 France, which horrible to even consider, but I must, because I’m intellectually honest.

    Anyways, I lived too long, witnessed/experienced too much in order to move off my point of view, what Ronald Reagan instinctively knew about the evils of Communism, I instinctively know about illegal drugs, they’re illegal for a reason, a very good reason.

    Just ask any Mom in south-central Los Angeles.

  • http://patdollard.com AverageJoe

    Really don’t know why we are wasting so much time on this when all is solved by :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: as many liberals as possible.

    • http://patdollard.com AverageJoe

      ps, I love how we let a couple of POS Kos trolls determine the whole show on this item.

      DEATH TO LIBERALISM & its stooges.

  • ignifer

    if anyone was a INFILTRATOR or ‘troll’ i would just as soon bet on it being those who EXPRESS A WISH TO KILL those who differ in opinion with them.
    that seems as likely, for what would make us look more like the over the top psychopaths that the left tries to portray us as than someone begging for the IP addresses of folks so they can be killed?
    want my address so you can come kill me too, online tough guy?