Electric Cars: Not Clean Energy?

January 21st, 2011 (6) Posted By Pat Dollard.

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  • ATTILA

    These things don’t have enough power to pull a sick whore off a pisspot, or a limp dick out of a lard can.

  • Charlie from New Jersey

    It is time we learned that the “Green” movement is simply the “Red” movement reconfigured. They are against energy that works because energy that works enables freedom, capitalism, and empowers the individual. This threatens them. Every Green solution is a fraud that sucks money out of the system so that it will collapse and they can take over. Many use more energy than they produce.
    Electric cars are expensive, never break even economically, and pollute worse than gasolene powered cars. If they ever became popular, they would be opposed by the Green Movement. Like windmills of Nantuckett; they are only acceptable if they are theoretical.

  • Storm0311

    While the running of the vehicle isn’t terrible.

    The making of them is a huge TOXIC nightmare.
    The costs involved deals with chemicals that pollute and not degrade.
    The back and forth shipping of materials to make the car is incredible as far as pollution into the atmosphere.
    when it’s all said and done the power for the car has to come from a power plant somewhere.

    I have hopes for this technologie but right now its a no win.(if we get Nuclear up it’s a win right now)

    I don’t even have hopes for ethanol, it takes more btu’s to create than what you get out of it to run your car AND is terrible for you car. making it run at about 10-20% less fuel milage.(besides helping us starve the world and create more taxs for the subsidies)You’ll also notice more blown fuel pumps and vapor lock issues.

    The funny bit is that it has driven up the cost of corn production expedentially.(also driving small grains out of production, wheat and oats aren’t as profittable as corn and soybeans..Starving the world and driving up all food costs..YMMV)

    This type of info is what I get for growing up around tinkerers, farmers and inventors.

    (now bio diesel is a whole nother story……)(good fuel, good return on investment, clean….vehicles love it…)(I personally have nothing to do with that business other than being a cheerleader)

  • AFITgrad86

    If we start with the knowledge there is x amount of energy in a barrel of oil and then follow it down the path to the refinery then to the electrical power station we see that energy go through a number of transformations. Basic physics tells us that energy can not be created or destroyed …. so each transformation simply converts the energy from one form to another …and at each transformation there are inevitable losses.

    First is conversion from chemical to heat to boil water in the powerplant. Then from heat (steam) to mechanical in the generator. Then from mechanical to electrical in the generator. The electrical travels over power lines with inherent losses to various substations and finally to your home.

    At each stop along the way some of that energy is lost as it passes through transformers. Finally at your home the electrical energy is converted into chemical energy in the electric car’s battery. That chemical energy is reconverted into electrical energy to drive the motor (converting it to mechanical energy).

    If you were to tally the losses along the way you would find that the overall efficiency of the process from crude oil to electric car total a significant portion of the original input. Even if each conversion is 90 percent efficient .9 x .9 x.9 x .9 = 65% efficient after just four conversions. I count 6 conversions the above description not counting line loss transporting the energy across country.

    The truth of electric cars is that they simply move the source of pollution away from the consumer .. a manifestation of the “not in my back yard” mentality.

    A well tuned Otto-cycle motor (that’s a gasoline internal combustion engine) or a Diesel engine can be as or more efficient than the electric car when the above inefficiencies are considered.

    • Jim D

      You forgot the temp factor. I read a motorhead article recently that said at 30 deg.F the batteries lost 30% of power. Just disappeared so I would guess at 15 below zero your sitting in a $42000.00 dollar dead horse. The greenies and boma can stick the electric car in thy rears!

    • Storm0311

      Yup. lots of loss and only really viable most places 4 months out of the year.(If your nuclear powerplants are on line)

      They made a 1000cc engine car with the Prius body without the weight of the batterys and it did better milage at about half the cost.

      VW/Audi has a little turbo polo diesel that kicks butt for milage and it actually fun to drive…..

      Better technologie and efficiencys exist just not for American markets.(legal issues abound.)