Whispers Indicate Soros Made $1Bil Trade Betting On US Downgrade One Day Before

August 8th, 2011 (25) Posted By Toro520.

ETF Daily News:

‘Someone’ dropped a bomb on the bond market Thursday – a $1 billion Armageddon trade betting the United States will lose its AAA credit rating (and helping to ensure that it would occur).

In one moment, an invisible trader placed a single trade that moved the most liquid debt market in the world.

The massive trade wasn’t placed in bonds themselves; it was placed in the futures market.

The trade was for block trades of 5,370 10-year Treasury futures executed at 124-03 and 3,100 Treasury bond futures executed at 125-01.

The value of the trade was about $850 million dollars. In simple terms, if that was a direct bond buy, no one would be talking about it.

However, with the use of futures, you have to have margin capacity behind the trade. That means with a single push of a button someone was willing to commit more than $1 billion of real capital to this trade with expectations of a 10-to-1 return ratio.

You only do this if you see an edge.

This means someone is confident that the United States is either going to default or is going to lose its AAA rating. That someone is willing to bet the proverbial farm that U.S. interest rates will be going up.

I believe what happened is a debt-ceiling deal was done in Washington and leaked to a major proprietary trader. Everyone knows the debt negotiations in Washington have been an extreme game of brinksmanship between political parties, but now someone knows how that game played out.

This had the hallmarks of one of the largest bond shops in the world knowing something the rest of the market didn’t.

The number of shops or even central banks that can take on this level of market risk is extremely small. Some that come to mind are hedge fund manager John Paulson, Bill Gross’s PIMCO, and the U.S. and Chinese central banks.

Paulson already scored big – about $6 billion big – on a similar trade years ago when he bet against subprime mortgages, the investments that helped bring down Lehman Bros. and many other investors.

Whoever was behind it wanted a trade on ASAP, and didn’t care about the ripples they would cause.

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  • Bobby E.

    Michael Moore is saying the chairman of S & P should be arrested. Uh … Michael … this isn’t ‘Cuber’. This man, however … Michael Moore’s sugar daddy … gets a free pass? Until today, I had no idea how utterly STUPID, and CRIMINAL, liberals are. I thought I knew, but geez …

  • Bobby E.

    Michael Moore is saying the chairman of S & P should be arrested. Uh … Michael … this isn’t ‘Cuber’. This man, however … Michael Moore’s sugar daddy … gets a free pass? Until today, I had no idea how utterly STUPID, and CRIMINAL, liberals are. I thought I knew, but geez …

  • Bobby E.

    Michael Moore is saying the chairman of S & P should be arrested. Uh … Michael … this isn’t ‘Cuber’. This man, however … Michael Moore’s sugar daddy … gets a free pass? Until today, I had no idea how utterly STUPID, and CRIMINAL, liberals are. I thought I knew, but geez …

  • Bobby E.

    Michael Moore is saying the chairman of S & P should be arrested. Uh … Michael … this isn’t ‘Cuber’. This man, however … Michael Moore’s sugar daddy … gets a free pass? Until today, I had no idea how utterly STUPID, and CRIMINAL, liberals are. I thought I knew, but geez …

    • Ulterior

      Welcome to the revolution, Bobby E.

    • Ulterior

      Welcome to the revolution, Bobby E.

    • Ulterior

      Welcome to the revolution, Bobby E.

  • Bobby E.

    Michael Moore is saying the chairman of S & P should be arrested. Uh … Michael … this isn’t ‘Cuber’. This man, however … Michael Moore’s sugar daddy … gets a free pass? Until today, I had no idea how utterly STUPID, and CRIMINAL, liberals are. I thought I knew, but geez …

  • Bobby E.

    Michael Moore is saying the chairman of S & P should be arrested. Uh … Michael … this isn’t ‘Cuber’. This man, however … Michael Moore’s sugar daddy … gets a free pass? Until today, I had no idea how utterly STUPID, and CRIMINAL, liberals are. I thought I knew, but geez …

  • mike3481

    All of the New Age karma believing types in America have some serious explaining to do as to why Soros hasn’t already died a most horrible and gruesome death.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPZXYCU6GM2A2JSG5S66SPYC3U TyS

      He is rather aged and frail. NYC can get pretty slippery in the winter. A slip and a fall would be…unfortunate

  • mike3481

    All of the New Age karma believing types in America have some serious explaining to do as to why Soros hasn’t already died a most horrible and gruesome death.

  • Anonymous

    Any of the Founding Fathers, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, or Reagan would have sent hit teams after Soros, Media Matters, Van Jones, Hollywood, connections to Euro-Marxist-Islamics.

    WE NEED TO DEMAND THE GOP-TEA PARTY GIVE GO ORDER!

    • Hawkerdriver

      You can forget the GOP doing anything. No difference in parties anymore..just one big one in bed with all the movers and shakers like Soros.It’s all about making them richer by the day.They don’t care one bit.Obama and his belivers in both parties are drunk with power,envisioning an America-cum North Korea with them of course living the good life behind the palace walls. It’s gonna get worse before people Wake.The.Fuck.Up!

    • Anonymous

      The blogosphere, talk radio…………and folks like ????? need to say go,,,, or give up and announce it.

      But what would Revolutionary War Leaders do,,,,,,,,,,, Fuck they would have done it in 2008 and even removed Bush and all Dems-RINOs before Nov 2008.

      We should do no less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Hawkerdriver

      You can forget the GOP doing anything. No difference in parties anymore..just one big one in bed with all the movers and shakers like Soros.It’s all about making them richer by the day.They don’t care one bit.Obama and his belivers in both parties are drunk with power,envisioning an America-cum North Korea with them of course living the good life behind the palace walls. It’s gonna get worse before people Wake.The.Fuck.Up!

  • Noway2no

    I’ve never seen anyone more deserving of a .308 injection than that evil POS…just sayin’

  • Noway2no

    I’ve never seen anyone more deserving of a .308 injection than that evil POS…just sayin’

    • Dr Jerry

      Yes Sir, I would like to have that dirt bag in my crosshairs for just a few seconds…no…second thought…Cold Steel Mark I push dagger face to face would be far more enjoyable…like you though…just saying….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPZXYCU6GM2A2JSG5S66SPYC3U TyS

      no need to be so blunt about it…after all, the streets of NYC get pretty slippery in the winters. It would be a …’tragedy’ if he were to slip and fall down a flight of stairs. After all, he is getting pretty old.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPZXYCU6GM2A2JSG5S66SPYC3U TyS

      no need to be so blunt about it…after all, the streets of NYC get pretty slippery in the winters. It would be a …’tragedy’ if he were to slip and fall down a flight of stairs. After all, he is getting pretty old.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPZXYCU6GM2A2JSG5S66SPYC3U TyS

      no need to be so blunt about it…after all, the streets of NYC get pretty slippery in the winters. It would be a …’tragedy’ if he were to slip and fall down a flight of stairs. After all, he is getting pretty old.

  • Anonymous

    Take ‘im out.  And his little monkey too.

  • Ulterior

    Not entirely unlike the other billionaire that died the other day, in an auto accident, eh?

  • AFITgrad86

    Although it has received scant notice, we are at war on several fronts and the economic warfare has been pretty lopsided up till now.  There is pretty good evidence that several factions have leveraged crises in the recent past to their economic favor.  This is but one example.

    The solution is to severely limit (reduce) the types of futures contracts and to take strong action where it appears inside information or manipulation was at play.

    Soros is a reprobate who has feasted on financial carrion for most of his career.  His crowning achievement to date was the undercutting of the British Pound and now it appears the dollar is next.

    As long as we stand idly by, he and his ilk will continue the assault on our nation through the financial markets while others supporting their common cause oppose us on the battlefield and in the political arena. 

    Wake up folks!  This is a multi-front war being fought using asymetrical tactics.  Time to fight back.