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Bombshell: DOJ Considering Elimination Of ATF



Sep 30, 2011 29 Comments ›› Angelia

Townhall:

Multiple sources, including sources from ATF, DOJ and Congressional offices have said there is a white paper circulating within the Department of Justice, outlining the essential elimination of ATF. According to sources, the paper outlines the firing of at least 450 ATF agents in an effort to conduct damage control as Operation Fast and Furious gets uglier and as election day 2012 gets closer. ATF agents wouldn’t be reassigned to other positions, just simply let go. Current duties of ATF, including the enforcement of explosives and gun laws, would be transferred to other agencies, possibly the FBI and the DEA. According to a congressional source, there have been rumblings about the elimination of ATF for quite sometime, but the move would require major political capital to actually happen.

“It’s a serious white paper being circulated, how far they’d get with it I don’t know,” a confidential source said.

After a town hall meeting about Operation Fast and Furious in Tucson, Ariz. on Monday, ATF Whistleblower Vince Cefalu, who has been key in exposing details about Operation Fast and Furious, confirmed the elimination of ATF has been circulating as a serious idea for sometime now and that a white paper outlining the plan does exist.

Sounds great right? Eliminating ATF? But there is more to this story. Remember, low level ATF field agents, like ATF whistleblower John Dodson, were uncomfortable conducting Operation Fast and Furious from the beginning, but were told by high level officials within ATF that if they had a problem with the operation, they could find a job elsewhere.

“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated,” ATF Whistleblower John Dodson said in testimony on Capitol Hill on June 15, 2011.

In fact, not only were the ATF agents forced to carry out the operation, they were told to go against what they had been taught in training.

“This operation, which in my opinion endangered the American public, was orchestrated in conjunction with Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley. [Emory Hurley is the same Assistant U.S. Attorney who previously prevented agents from using some of the common and accepted law enforcement techniques that are employed elsewhere in the United States to investigate and prosecute gun crimes.] I have read documents that indicate that his boss, U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, also agreed with the direction of the case,” Special Agent Peter Forcelli said in testimony on Capitol hill on June 15, 2011.

“I recall my first days at the ATF academy, where it was drilled into us as new agents that under no circumstances would any firearms, in any investigation, leave the control of ATF. Instructors stressed that even if a weapon was lost “by accident,” the agent was still subject to termination,” former ATF Attaché to Mexico Darren D. Gil said in testimony on June 15, 2011.

ATF field agents weren’t the problem with Operation Fast and Furious, high ranking officials within ATF and the Department of Justice were and still are. DOJ would eliminate ATF only to take the heat off of the Obama Administration. By eliminating the bureau, it makes it seem like DOJ is taking Operation Fast and Furious so seriously, they decided to “clear out the corruption, clean house,” however, it would only be a distraction away from the people at the top of the investigation. In fact, evidence shows the DOJ has been stonewalling the Oversight Committee investigation into the operation to protect Obama political appointees.

“It was very frustrating to all of us, and it appears thoroughly to us that the Department is really trying to figure out a way to push the information away from their political appointees at the Department,” former ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson, who has since been moved to a position within DOJ, said of his frustration with the Justice Department’s response to the investigation in transcribed closed door testimony with the Oversight Committee in July 2011.

When I called the Department of Justice last week (five times) to request the white paper and receive a comment surrounding the idea of eliminating ATF, I received the following response: “Everyone is away from their desk right now.”

Up to this point, the Department of Justice has denied all allegations or involvement in Operation Fast and Furious, yet journalists and the House Oversight Committee have proved allegation after allegation to be true. For example, during a Congressional hearing in July, former ATF Special Agent in Charge William Newell, who has since been promoted to a position within the Justice Department, denied that his agency was trafficking guns to Mexico, despite overwhelming evidence and testimony from other ATF agents proving otherwise.

“At no time in our strategy was it to allow guns to be taken to Mexico,” Newell said on July 26, 2011, adding that at no time did his agency allow guns to walk.

We’ve heard this was a low level, “rogue” operation, turns out high level officials in the Justice Department, DEA, FBI, DHS, and even members of the White House national security team knew about Operation Fast and Furious.

Last week, ATF offered 400 agents buy outs to avoid budget cuts and is expecting 250-275 agents to take the offer through Voluntary Early Retirement. These buyouts come at a convenient time for the Justice Department, which can eliminate ATF, then say it’s because of budget cuts, when really, it’s to cover their tracks.


  • J_Delta

    The BATFE are a bunch of pathological fuck-ups. This is long overdue.

  • J_Delta

    The BATFE are a bunch of pathological fuck-ups. This is long overdue.

  • john

    Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convienience store not a government agency….

    • Anonymous

      LOL!  Yeap.

  • http://twitter.com/jackgrady Jack Grady

    After Ruby Ridge, Waco, Fast and Furious, why not?  But right
    now?  Smells like Obama/Holder
    transparency(cover)-up.  Just like
    Clinton’s and their Attorney General Janet Reno.  The Progressives really don’t change their corruption, intimidation, and smell.

    After Ruby Ridge, Waco, Fast and Furious, why not?  But right
    now?  Smells like Obama/Holder
    transparency(cover)-up.  Just like
    Clinton’s and their Attorney General Janet Reno.  The Progressives really don’t change their corruption, intimidation, and smell.

  • YERMOM

    all to cover the murders Holder and Obama

  • YERMOM

    all to cover the murders Holder and Obama

  • YERMOM

    all to cover the murders Holder and Obama

  • mike3481

    To float a trial balloon like that they must be in pure panic mode.

    Don’t doubt me on this, there must be, literally, several hundred individuals in the DOJ, including FBI, DEA, BATF, A.G. Holder’s office and the White House that are scared shitless that they’re going to end-up spending a significant portion of their lives in Federal Prison…

    … which is exactly were they belong.

    • YERMOM

      word

  • RTLM

    Consolidation of power.  Erasing of evidence. 

    Marxists do not quit.  They are beaten down and kept down. 

  • Anonymous

    People are missing the point, if they shut down the BATFE then all of the licensees to operate firearms businesses become null and void. Which means all guns shops, gun smiths, and ammunition manufacturers will not be able to operate legally. They will in effect be stuck in limbo. And unlike private firearms owners all of there data IS on record. In a nutshell if I wanted to prevent the public from purchasing anymore firearms, ammo, supplies to make more ammo or repair or build firearms then this would be the easiest way to accomplish that feat.

    It’s great to say good reddens to the ATF but remember be careful of what you wish for. 

    • ATTILA

      The 1934 firearms act is still on the books, and the elimination of ATF would in no way null and void bona fide dealers, any more than it would outlaw jack daniels or marlboro cigs.

    • Anonymous

      I beg to differ I’m a licensed ammunition mfg. And I’m not licensed through the 1934 firearms act, I’m licensed through the BATF&E. All of my licenses state clearly across the top Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, with the BATF&E’s seal clearly watermarked onto the license.

    • ATTILA

      The enabling legislation 1934 firearms act would still be on the books. The ATF derives it’s authority from that act. Eliminating the agency does not repeal the law, as some other agency can still enforce the parameters of the legislation. In the absence of ANY legislation or ATF, we would be back to square one, without any firearms restrictions. 

    • ATTILA

      The enabling legislation 1934 firearms act would still be on the books. The ATF derives it’s authority from that act. Eliminating the agency does not repeal the law, as some other agency can still enforce the parameters of the legislation. In the absence of ANY legislation or ATF, we would be back to square one, without any firearms restrictions. 

    • J_Delta

      Attila’s right. That’s like saying without a DMV it would be illegal to drive.

    • DC

      What’s a “reddens”?!?
      It’s kinda hard to take you seriously when you can’t even spell “riddance”!

    • Anonymous

      Then maybe you should go visit you’re local gun shop and read their license. Please don’t take my word on it go check for yourself.

    • DC

      Ya still don’t get it do ya! The point I was making just went right over your head.
      You’re so busy in panic mode that you don’t see the forest for the trees!

    • Anonymous

      Wow sorry I stepped on some toes. I’m not panicked just trying to inform some people. I see just fine you’re the one being an ass lol. Do yourself a favor and have a drink and mellow out. I see nothing but posts from people ranting about axing the ATF without any thought as to what any of the other consequences would be.

      Have a nice evening kick back try some Tequila on ice it can work wonders.  

    • DC

      Yea, and you need to cut way back on the caffein! I was never among those that commented or even thought that getting rid of the BATF was such a good idea!
      And substituting it with another branch of government buraucracy is dumber still.

    • Dano

      What the fuck is caffein?? LOL You bust his chops about his spelling then you fuck up, that shit is priceless. We’re all brothers and sisters here, lets start acting like it. United we stand, divided we are no better than any other fucked up 3rd world country.

    • DC

      Oh, yea…I forgot about that “I before E except after C”
      It started out as a joke….FOAD!

    • Dano

      Lol something like that. I was just joking also pal. Anyways I’m going to go FOAD now…. I wish I had thought of that sooner.

    • DC

      Oh, yea…I forgot about that “I before E except after C”
      It started out as a joke….FOAD!

  • JIM UP NORTH

    If this is true someone at the top is fucking nervous about what may be found if investigators keep digging. I agree shut the whole BATF building down and lock the doors. Move three dozen of the lowest payed secretaries to the DOJ building and  their only task is to renew FFL dealers paperwork out  get them back on time and deposit the checks. ZERO harassment!!

  • JIM UP NORTH

    If this is true someone at the top is fucking nervous about what may be found if investigators keep digging. I agree shut the whole BATF building down and lock the doors. Move three dozen of the lowest payed secretaries to the DOJ building and  their only task is to renew FFL dealers paperwork out  get them back on time and deposit the checks. ZERO harassment!!

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