Ron Paul And Gary Johnson: Terrorist Sympathizers

September 30th, 2011 (10) Posted By Angelia Phillips.

New Mexico Independent:

The drone attacks that killed Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen have sparked renewed talks of due process for U.S. born citizens alleged to have been involved in terrorist activity.

Awlaki was born in New Mexico, and two presidential candidates, along with a host of civil liberties writers, have called into question the legality of killing a U.S. citizen without a court proceeding.

Former New Mexico governor and current presidential candidate Gary Johnson came out with fellow candidate Ron Paul against the drone attack, which also killed another U.S. citizen during an attack on a convoy carrying the two members of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).

From The Hill has Johnson’s comments:

“Well I as President of the United States I would have been a lot more transparent about what, and I understand all of the accusations against al-Awlaki and they are very significant and I don’t want to minimize at all the threat that he was posing to the United States. But he is a U.S. citizen, he was a U.S. citizen, and never before have we targeted a US citizen for death,” the former New Mexico governor said on Fox News.

And the Wall Street Journal has this from Ron Paul:

“Nobody knows if he ever killed anybody,” Mr. Paul said after a breakfast at Saint Anselm College’s New Hampshire Institute of Politics. “If the American people accept this blindly and casually…I think that’s sad.”

Wall Street Journal does point out the congressman from Texas applauded the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, who said at the time, “Osama bin Laden applauded the 9/11 attacks. Such deliberate killing of innocent lives deserved retaliation. It is good that bin Laden is dead and justice is served.”

Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director for The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), denounced the killing of Awlaki, telling CBS News:

As we’ve seen today, this is a program under which American citizens far from any battlefield can be executed by their own government without judicial process, and on the basis of standards and evidence that are kept secret not just from the public but from the courts.

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The government’s authority to use lethal force against its own citizens should be limited to circumstances in which the threat to life is concrete, specific and imminent. It is a mistake to invest the president – any president – with the unreviewable power to kill any American whom he deems to present a threat to the country.

And Glenn Greenwald, a former a constitutional law and civil rights litigator and writer for Salon, took exception to the government’s killing of Alwaki with incendiary prose:

Despite substantial doubt among Yemen experts about whether he even has any operational role in Al Qaeda, no evidence (as opposed to unverified government accusations) was presented of his guilt. When Awlaki’s father sought a court order barring Obama from killing his son, the DOJ argued, among other things, that such decisions were “state secrets” and thus beyond the scrutiny of the courts. He was simply ordered killed by the President: his judge, jury and executioner. When Awlaki’s inclusion on President Obama’s hit list was confirmed, The New York Timesnoted that “it is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing.”

After several unsuccessful efforts to assassinate its own citizen, the U.S. succeeded today (and it was the U.S.). It almost certainly was able to find and kill Awlaki with the help of its long-time close friend President Saleh, who took a little time off from murdering his own citizens to help the U.S. murder its. The U.S. thus transformed someone who was, at best, a marginal figure into a martyr, and again showed its true face to the world. The government and media search for The Next bin Laden has undoubtedly already commenced.

Awlaki studied extensively in the U.S., earning a bachelors in engineering from Colorado State University and a masters in education leadership from San Diego State University.

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  • Bobby E.

    Two dipshits! Tell Daniel Pearl’s wife, and the loved ones of others savaged by these heathens, about due process. And you Paulites think your man is going to win the nomination? All he is going to do is help Obama win the next election … if there is one and I predict there won’t be. If I, and others, are right about that prediction, I wonder what these two dipshits will think then.

    • J_Delta

      No way he wins the nomination. But he may split the vote enough to throw the election.

  • Bobby E.

    Two dipshits! Tell Daniel Pearl’s wife, and the loved ones of others savaged by these heathens, about due process. And you Paulites think your man is going to win the nomination? All he is going to do is help Obama win the next election … if there is one and I predict there won’t be. If I, and others, are right about that prediction, I wonder what these two dipshits will think then.

  • Bobby E.

    Two dipshits! Tell Daniel Pearl’s wife, and the loved ones of others savaged by these heathens, about due process. And you Paulites think your man is going to win the nomination? All he is going to do is help Obama win the next election … if there is one and I predict there won’t be. If I, and others, are right about that prediction, I wonder what these two dipshits will think then.

  • Bobby E.

    Two dipshits! Tell Daniel Pearl’s wife, and the loved ones of others savaged by these heathens, about due process. And you Paulites think your man is going to win the nomination? All he is going to do is help Obama win the next election … if there is one and I predict there won’t be. If I, and others, are right about that prediction, I wonder what these two dipshits will think then.

  • J_Delta

    First, I would have killed Awlaki and Kahn in a heartbeat.

    Second, Ron Paul is a fucking moron and Gary Johnson is his ass-licking protege.

    Third, it would be wise to remember how the DHS and various other elements of the federal government view some of us.

    Killing terrorists is never wrong as long as they are actually fucking terrorists. As it stands the pencil-dicked cookie pushers in this administration have trouble telling the difference.

  • J_Delta

    First, I would have killed Awlaki and Kahn in a heartbeat.

    Second, Ron Paul is a fucking moron and Gary Johnson is his ass-licking protege.

    Third, it would be wise to remember how the DHS and various other elements of the federal government view some of us.

    Killing terrorists is never wrong as long as they are actually fucking terrorists. As it stands the pencil-dicked cookie pushers in this administration have trouble telling the difference.

  • J_Delta

    First, I would have killed Awlaki and Kahn in a heartbeat.

    Second, Ron Paul is a fucking moron and Gary Johnson is his ass-licking protege.

    Third, it would be wise to remember how the DHS and various other elements of the federal government view some of us.

    Killing terrorists is never wrong as long as they are actually fucking terrorists. As it stands the pencil-dicked cookie pushers in this administration have trouble telling the difference.

  • AL

    ron paul is a senile scum

  • http://twitter.com/Adv4Change Adv4 Change

    Bobby, you “predict there won’t be” another election?  You mean, you see the past thirty years as a continual breakdown of civil liberties, as well?  Are you saying that you also understand Obama’s extension of the PATRIOT Act, institution of mandated healthcare by right of citizenship, promises of decreased militarism backed by committing us to Libya which only by furthered the very unconstitutional executive orders he criticized Bush for, and the killing of US citizens in direct defiance of Article three as stepping stones to a socialist police state?  You really do?

    Then, I’m surprised for two reasons: 1) you seem to think that abolishing the most secure protection men have from their government is a good thing; and, 2) such a socialist police-state is one very possible outcome of allowing our civil rights and liberties to be systematically rescinded.

    If you’re gullible enough to think that these offenses are OK so long as they happen to “credible terrorist,” maybe you should figure out how easy it is for any American citizen to become a “credible terrorist” in the state’s perspective, even if you have already been cleared by a jury of peers.  Your knee-jerk reaction is, “How can someone feel sorry for a terrorist,” when the real concern is about the group of American citizens who may be falsely punished by an unconstitutional desire for revenge over justice.  This act was a breach of the constitution- there were ways the administration could have held a fair trial, either in person or in absentia.