Bumped: Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism

October 12th, 2011 (462) Posted By bear.

WallStreetJournal:

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin may not be running in the presidential elections next year, but she had plenty to say about political and economic issues when she spoke at the Wold Knowledge Forum 2011 hosted by the Maeil Business Newspaper in Seoul on Tuesday.

Ms. Palin, who is in Korea for the first time, repeatedly stressed the need for Americans and others around the world to strike back at what she called “crony capitalism,” arguing that a cozy relationship between big corporations, financial institutions and government officials needs to be addressed in order to manage the current global downturn. She talked about the importance of reducing the power of the central government, reducing tax burdens and easing regulations to let individuals and entrepreneurs thrive in a free market.

She said the U.S.’s high debt is a serious security threat, as the fiscal difficulties are forcing Americans to “pick our battles” and leading to calls for reduced spending on the military and national security as the country seeks to shore up its financial position.

“I want to see U.S.’s military, our national security strengthen so I want make sure we have no debt but we have enough money to spend on national security measures in order to help create a more peaceful prosperious world,” she said. “Our strength has everything to do with our ability to fund a strong military in order to be there–not nation-building but to be there outside our own borders in order to secure freedoms for others, protect their freedoms.”

Ms. Palin also said she doesn’t think a stronger military might for China would necessarily be good for the region, noting China’s behavior to show its strength in a multinational territorial dispute over the Spratly Islands as an example. She said the U.S. still has a role to play in the region to ensure stability.

On issues in the Korean peninsula, Ms. Palin said there needs to be a regime change in North Korea given the brutal dictatorship in the country and separately called for a stronger partnership between the U.S. and South Korea, noting the latter country’s impressive development in the past 50 years and voicing her support for the South Korea-U.S. free-trade agreement.

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      « Lehman Brothers To File Bankruptcy, BOA Buys Merrill Lynch, Washington Mutual and AIG UncertainThe Biden-Hillary Swap »Sarah Palin and the full “Dairygate” Timeline

      POSTED BY JAZZ SHAW, ASSISTANT EDITOR IN POLITICS.
      SEP 15TH, 2008 | 8 RESPONSESI need to thank alert reader Lee Indiana for pointing me to what is now, unfortunately, being called “Dairygate” in some circles and setting me off on a morning’s expedition with The Google. Even if you are already aware of the strange goings on between the Alaska state government and the long, winding tale of the Matanuska Maid dairy in Anchorage, (later referred to as “Mat Maid”) here is what I’ve found, laid out in a timeline with background information on all of the players.In December of 2006, the historic Matanuska Maid dairy closes its doors after years of financial troubles. Operating since the 1930?s, it was taken over by the state to keep it solvent during the 80?s but remained a money sink for most of its operating life.Spring of 2007. The government has moved again to use state funds to keep the struggling dairy afloat. More financial woes ensue, and in June of 2007 Sarah Palinz swoops in to the rescue, declaring that the dairy situation is “a mess” and the she is “going to clean it up.”August, 2007. The previously discussed Franci Havemeister is appointed to the position of Director of Agriculture at a salary of roughly $100K, considerably more than she made in her real estate business. (Remember the real estate connection for later.) Her appointment comes despite her previously noted “thin” credentials for the position. She is the daughter-in-law of local dairy farmerBob Havemeister. (We’ll be getting back to Bob in a bit… keep reading.)Nov. 19, 2007. Franci Havemeister issues a gag order, saying that nobody other than fellow political appointee Ray Nix, of the Dept. of Agriculture, is allowed to speak to the press about the situation with Mat Maid.Dec. 20, 2007. Troubles continue at the dairy, and four local dairy farmers, including Bob Havemeister, are worried that they will have to begin dumping their milk on the ground, spurring concerns from environmentalists. An offer comes in from Kyle Beus (remember that name for later also. we’ll be getting back to him) to purchase some of the milk for a dairy coop he’s starting up to produce cheese and other creamery goods.Dec. 24, 2007. Good news comes just in time for Christmas for the four previously mentioned dairy farmers. A $600,000 grant has been made available by the state government to cover costs related to Mat Maid and the farmers will be able to tap into that for cash payments of $40,000 each to “cover their losses.” State Senate President Lyda Green (R-Wasilla) initially objects to the cash payouts, saying the money was appropriated to cover the state’s debt, but later relents, saying, it was an appropriate use of the funds.March 21, 2008. Reports surface that Kyle Beus (remember him?) has landed himself a sweetheart of a deal, gutting and leasing dairy equipment from the now effectively defunct Mat Maid facility for his new creamery coop. Both Beus and Ray Nix (see above) brush off the reports, saying that the discount prices are “nothing unusual” in these types of situations.May 15, 2008. State auditors say that the government went against the law in handing out the $40K payments to the farmers, including Franci Havemeister’s father-in-law. State senate president Lyda Greenz (R-Wasilla) reiterates her feelings that the payments were made “with good intentions” and that she “didn’t view it quite as harshly” as the auditors.May 31, 2008. Kyle Beus has a ribbon cutting ceremony, opening his new creamery. Reporters find him looking “deceptively at ease for a guy who is currently propping up the state’s dairy business.” And he probably should look that way. In addition to the discount equipment rentals, he’s recently received a $643,000 grant from the Alaska Dept. of Agriculture under the direction of… Franci Havemeister.Kyle Beus turns out to be an exceptionally fortunate fellow in the dairy game. His background bioindicates that he moved to Alaska in 2000, and since then received $116,967 in dairy related government subsidy payments from the Dept. of Agriculture between 2002 and 2005. This is a very fortunate situation for somebody who has been under investigation by the state’s labor board for years over charges that he failed to provide workman’s compensation insurance to his employees, among other “oversights.”Aug. 23, 2008. The former Mat Maid plant is unloaded off the state books. The state’s only other dairy interest looks into purchasing it, but somehow can’t get a bid qualified. The only qualified bid received comes from Franci Havemeister’s real estate colleague, Matt Bobbich, and the facility is sold for the minimum bid acceptable by the state, $1.5M. It’s termed a “break even” deal for Alaska.Interesting enough, Matt Bobbich previously had delinquent tax charges against him dismissed when the plaintiff failed to appear at the appeal hearing. He was also a popular political donor on the local scene.What does all of this add up to? We’ll have to leave it to sharper legal beagles than yours truly to sort it all out, but there certainly does seem to be a lot of money changing hands between a small group of related individuals.

  • Anonymous

    derised1 – thanks for bringing this article to our attention.

    Also see these articles:

    Sarah Palin visits South Korea, takes aim at elites
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hi_ZAWbs0__N7GDby3RGRxUKfv1A?docId=CNG.f17fd4750d6bfedcc76487af91dbb134.5f1&index=0

    Palin Says Growing Chinese Army Not ‘Necessarily’ Good
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-11/palin-says-growing-chinese-army-not-necessarily-good.html

    In addition this tweet:
    Sarah Palin just finished speaking a keynote speech at the World Knowledge Forum in Seoul. She is well liked here in Korea
    http://twitter.com/#!/safeguide/status/123574779990122497

    • Anonymous

      $he must be “running” then, eh

    • Anonymous

      $he must be “running” then, eh

    • Anonymous

      speaking of “running” you can see the “runners muscle tone” in $arah’s “sculpted” thighs
      sweet !

    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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  • Sassy

    I guess Palin didn’t know wearing white is mourning… Knowledge helps when visiting another country. At least she didn’t cause an international incident.

    • Anonymous

      the white seems to be more like burnt toast

    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

      the white seems to be more like burnt toast

    • Anonymous

      the white seems to be more like burnt toast

    • Anonymous

      the white seems to be more like burnt toast

    • Anonymous

      $arah’s a hypocrite of epic proportions, her cronyism/nepotism here in Alaska knew no bounds
      $he’s a fraud

    • Sassy

      True, we are all still waiting to find out what happened to the millions from the Dairy.

    • Anonymous

      Another trig-truther, who is racist, and a misogynist.

    • Sassy

      Deflecting is not helping you… Issues are important.

    • Sassy

      Deflecting is not helping you… Issues are important.

    • Anonymous

      Someone who claims that white is for mourning has no clue about reality.

      White equals life. Black equals mourning.

      But hey, when someone is afflicted with PDS; and is content to spread lies … what can one expect.

    • Anonymous

      Someone who claims that white is for mourning has no clue about reality.

      White equals life. Black equals mourning.

      But hey, when someone is afflicted with PDS; and is content to spread lies … what can one expect.

    • Anonymous

      Someone who claims that white is for mourning has no clue about reality.

      White equals life. Black equals mourning.

      But hey, when someone is afflicted with PDS; and is content to spread lies … what can one expect.

    • Anonymous

      .White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhiteWhite is a color, the perception of which is evoked by light that stimulates all …. In Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian tradition, white is the color of mourning and death. … A white flag is an international sign of either surrender, or truce, that is, it is a… Physicians and scientists are known for wearing white coats both as a …

      ‘bot

    • Sassy

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    • Anonymous

      Wrong:

      Colors in Korea

      JIyoun
      From the old time,Korean was called white-clad. Korean wears in white
      as soon as born and died.These white cloths express the buddish idea
      ‘come empty,return empty’and the white color means assimilation with
      nature.

      Choi.N.S
      Korean people admire white color. They believed that the sun is a God
      and the Korean is a son of the God and they wear the white colored
      cloths standing out the glory of the sun with pride. This became a
      tradition for Korean.The white color in Korea means
      purity,innocence,morality.

      http://www.colormatters.com/q-and-a/qa-global-color#Anchor-Colors-5185

      But thank you for confirming that you like twisting the truth. PDSer.

    • Anonymous

      While Westerns see white as the colour of purity and innocence, in some Asian cultures ( China, Vietnam, and Korea), white is the colour of death and mourning.In India, people wear white after the death of a family member.
      White is the traditional colour of bridal dresses in Western cultures. A woman wearing white will be seen as a bride on a Western website, and as a person in mourning on an Eastern website.
      White is also the colour of snow and winter. Some associate snow with Christmas, forgetting that countries from the Southern hemisphere don’t have snow during Christmas time.A white pigeon is an international sign of peace; a white flag is an international sign of surrender.ent here.

    • Anonymous

      While Westerns see white as the colour of purity and innocence, in some Asian cultures ( China, Vietnam, and Korea), white is the colour of death and mourning.In India, people wear white after the death of a family member.
      White is the traditional colour of bridal dresses in Western cultures. A woman wearing white will be seen as a bride on a Western website, and as a person in mourning on an Eastern website.
      White is also the colour of snow and winter. Some associate snow with Christmas, forgetting that countries from the Southern hemisphere don’t have snow during Christmas time.A white pigeon is an international sign of peace; a white flag is an international sign of surrender.ent here.

    • Anonymous

      .White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhiteWhite is a color, the perception of which is evoked by light that stimulates all …. In Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian tradition, white is the color of mourning and death. … A white flag is an international sign of either surrender, or truce, that is, it is a… Physicians and scientists are known for wearing white coats both as a …

      ‘bot

    • Anonymous

      .White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhiteWhite is a color, the perception of which is evoked by light that stimulates all …. In Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian tradition, white is the color of mourning and death. … A white flag is an international sign of either surrender, or truce, that is, it is a… Physicians and scientists are known for wearing white coats both as a …

      ‘bot

    • Anonymous

      .White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhiteWhite is a color, the perception of which is evoked by light that stimulates all …. In Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian tradition, white is the color of mourning and death. … A white flag is an international sign of either surrender, or truce, that is, it is a… Physicians and scientists are known for wearing white coats both as a …

      ‘bot

    • Sassy

      You do realize you are talking about eastern customs right. They wear white for mourning, westerners wear black for mourning. Check the facts, before posting, it really does help.

    • Sassy

      You do realize you are talking about eastern customs right. They wear white for mourning, westerners wear black for mourning. Check the facts, before posting, it really does help.

    • Sassy

      You do realize you are talking about eastern customs right. They wear white for mourning, westerners wear black for mourning. Check the facts, before posting, it really does help.

    • Sassy

      You do realize you are talking about eastern customs right. They wear white for mourning, westerners wear black for mourning. Check the facts, before posting, it really does help.

    • Sassy

      You do realize you are talking about eastern customs right. They wear white for mourning, westerners wear black for mourning. Check the facts, before posting, it really does help.

    • Sassy

      You do realize you are talking about eastern customs right. They wear white for mourning, westerners wear black for mourning. Check the facts, before posting, it really does help.

    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

      Another trig-truther, who is racist, and a misogynist.

    • Anonymous

      Another trig-truther, who is racist, and a misogynist.

    • Anonymous

      Absolute nonsense, but thank you for confirming that you suffer from PDS.

    • Anonymous

      i know it might be a little deep for ya but ya might try a little something called “research”
      $carah’s a fraud

    • Anonymous

      Bull. You are simply part of the PDS crowd that continues to spread lies.

    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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      8)

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for confirming that you like to make up lies, spread reports that can not be verified and suffer from PDS.

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

      Absolute nonsense, but thank you for confirming that you suffer from PDS.

    • Anonymous

      Absolute nonsense, but thank you for confirming that you suffer from PDS.

    • Anonymous

      Absolute nonsense, but thank you for confirming that you suffer from PDS.

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense, but thank you thank you for confirming that you are a Trig-truther, who is racist, and a misogynist.

    • Sassy

      LOL, only the intellectually challenged try and deflect from the issues. I didn’t know Trig had anything to do with the story. What has race got to do with anything… Oh, you were upset over Palin’s affair with Rice…

    • Anonymous

      Again, spreading false rumors. But thank you for acknowledging that you have PDS.

    • Sassy

      Now, I will have to say you are mentally challenged… When anyone sticks their head in the sand and refuses to see facts and what is going on around them, that is a problem.

      I only post facts. You might want to try it for a change.

    • Anonymous

      Nope, PDS ers post lies and falsehoods. Stock in trade.

      The wikipedia article that is being touted references a statement that has not been verified and is wrong. But that was omitted. The reality is that:

      Colors in Korea

      JIyoun
      From the old time,Korean was called white-clad. Korean wears in white
      as soon as born and died.These white cloths express the buddish idea
      ‘come empty,return empty’and the white color means assimilation with
      nature.

      Choi.N.S
      Korean people admire white color. They believed that the sun is a God
      and the Korean is a son of the God and they wear the white colored
      cloths standing out the glory of the sun with pride. This became a
      tradition for Korean.The white color in Korea means
      purity,innocence,morality.
      http://www.colormatters.com/q-and-a/qa-global-color#Anchor-Colors-5185

    • Sassy

      I would guess you have not lived over there, but keep trying.

    • Anonymous

      he’s never left the holler’

    • Sassy

      My husband was stationed over there and two of our sons, their culture is amazing.

    • Anonymous

      Or the basement.

    • Anonymous

      he’s never left the holler’

    • Anonymous

      he’s never left the holler’

    • Anonymous

      he’s never left the holler’

    • Anonymous

      Yep! Keep ignoring the facts….

    • Sassy

      I don’t seem to be the one ignoring facts, try and keep up, $Palin quit again.

    • Sassy

      I don’t seem to be the one ignoring facts, try and keep up, $Palin quit again.

    • Sassy

      I don’t seem to be the one ignoring facts, try and keep up, $Palin quit again.

    • Sassy

      I would guess you have not lived over there, but keep trying.

    • Anonymous

      Nope, PDS ers post lies and falsehoods. Stock in trade.

      The wikipedia article that is being touted references a statement that has not been verified and is wrong. But that was omitted. The reality is that:

      Colors in Korea

      JIyoun
      From the old time,Korean was called white-clad. Korean wears in white
      as soon as born and died.These white cloths express the buddish idea
      ‘come empty,return empty’and the white color means assimilation with
      nature.

      Choi.N.S
      Korean people admire white color. They believed that the sun is a God
      and the Korean is a son of the God and they wear the white colored
      cloths standing out the glory of the sun with pride. This became a
      tradition for Korean.The white color in Korea means
      purity,innocence,morality.
      http://www.colormatters.com/q-and-a/qa-global-color#Anchor-Colors-5185

    • Sassy

      Now, I will have to say you are mentally challenged… When anyone sticks their head in the sand and refuses to see facts and what is going on around them, that is a problem.

      I only post facts. You might want to try it for a change.

    • Anonymous

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    • Sassy

      LOL, only the intellectually challenged try and deflect from the issues. I didn’t know Trig had anything to do with the story. What has race got to do with anything… Oh, you were upset over Palin’s affair with Rice…

    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

      Nonsense, but thank you thank you for confirming that you are a Trig-truther, who is racist, and a misogynist.

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense, but thank you thank you for confirming that you are a Trig-truther, who is racist, and a misogynist.

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense, but thank you thank you for confirming that you are a Trig-truther, who is racist, and a misogynist.

    • Anonymous

      PDSer, continuing to spread lies about Palin’s record.

      P.S. Black is mourning. White is life.

    • Anonymous

      in korea, viet nam, et al, wearing white is significant to mourning or death

      do some freakin’ research ‘bot

      $carah’s a fraud

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

      apparently barry does

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    • Anonymous

      You’re a moron.

    • Anonymous

      you ‘bots are freakin’ hilarious

    • Anonymous

      You PDS tards are pathetic!

    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

      You PDS tards are pathetic!

    • Anonymous

      You’re a moron.

    • Anonymous

      **

    • Anonymous

      Right on TyS!

    • Anonymous

      just think, glenn rice and most all wasilla’s been there

    • Anonymous

      Right on TyS!

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    • Anonymous

      False. The referenced quote has not been verified and is wrong, But, heck PDSers are known for spreading lies and falsehoods.

      Colors in Korea

      JIyoun
      From the old time,Korean was called white-clad. Korean wears in white
      as soon as born and died.These white cloths express the buddish idea
      ‘come empty,return empty’and the white color means assimilation with
      nature.

      Choi.N.S
      Korean people admire white color. They believed that the sun is a God
      and the Korean is a son of the God and they wear the white colored
      cloths standing out the glory of the sun with pride. This became a
      tradition for Korean.The white color in Korea means
      purity,innocence,morality.
      http://www.colormatters.com/q-and-a/qa-global-color#Anchor-Colors-5185

    • Anonymous

      At least she doesn’t wear mama jeans like Obumbler

    • Anonymous

      yer fantasy skank

    • Anonymous

      yer fantasy skank

    • Anonymous

      yer fantasy skank

    • Anonymous

      PDSer, continuing to spread lies about Palin’s record.

      P.S. Black is mourning. White is life.

    • Anonymous

      But maybe she is mourning … her presidential dream !

    • Sassy

      Now, that funny… :)

    • Sassy

      Now, that funny… :)

    • Sassy

      Now, that funny… :)

    • Anonymous

      Nope. In wearing white she is celebrating life.

      Colors in Korea

      JIyoun
      From the old time,Korean was called white-clad. Korean wears in white
      as soon as born and died.These white cloths express the buddish idea
      ‘come empty,return empty’and the white color means assimilation with
      nature.

      Choi.N.S
      Korean people admire white color. They believed that the sun is a God
      and the Korean is a son of the God and they wear the white colored
      cloths standing out the glory of the sun with pride. This became a
      tradition for Korean.The white color in Korea means
      purity,innocence,morality.
      http://www.colormatters.com/q-and-a/qa-global-color#Anchor-Colors-5185

      The wikipedia article that the PDSers are referencing specifically notes that the statement has not been verified. But, heck that never stopped PDSers from spreading lies and falsehoods, since that is their stock in trade.

    • Anonymous

      » 02/28/2009 12:49
      VIETNAM
      Cardinal Pham Dinh Tung, a model for all Vietnamese
      by J.B. Vu
      At least 30,000 people from all over Vietnam and from abroad attended his funeral. Many montagnards arrived the day before, sleeping in the open air or in makeshift shelters, to say goodbye to the man they call “our father” and “the pillar of Vietnam.”

      Hanoi (AsiaNews) – “Cardinal Joseph Pahm Dinh Tung, with his humble, devoted work in service of the poor and of the Church, is the model for the entire Vietnamese people”: this is the view expressed by many, bishops and faithful, on the figure of the former archbishop of Hanoi, who died last February 22 at the age of 89.The respect for him and for his work was manifested on the day of his funeral, February 26: at least 30,000 people attended, coming to the capital from all over the country. Many montagnards arrived the day before, sleeping in the open air or in makeshift shelters, just to be able to say their last goodbye to the cardinal’s body, participating in a ceremony held at the cathedral.20 bishops and 500 priests took part in the funeral, together with Cardinal Pham Minh Man, the archbishop of Ho Chi Minh City, whom Benedict XVI chose as his legate. The majority of the faithful followed the Mass from outside of the cathedral, on large video screens, wearing white headbands as a sign of mourning.In the homily, Bishop Paul Nguyen Van Hoa of Nha Trang emphasized that the deceased cardinal “died in God because he lived in God,” and asked the faithful to follow his example, “trusting in the love of God and laboring in works of charity.”Hung, one of the thousands of participants, said that Cardinal Pham Dinh Tung is “a pillar of Vietnam. He was a father for all of us.” One elderly montagnard called his death “a gift for all Catholics of Vietnam, because they have been ‘enlightened’ (giac ngo) at the beginning of Lent.”The funeral was also attended by government representatives and figures from other religions; in addition to foreign representatives of the American embassy, the Korean community, and the foreign missions of Paris.The body of the deceased cardinal was buried beneath the altar of the cathedral.ment here.

      ‘bot

    • Anonymous

      We are talking about Korea, not Vietnam.

    • Anonymous

      same difference barry, it’s a far eastern culture, read; asian

      you really do need to get out more barry ya know, broaden yer horizons

    • Anonymous

      .
      » 02/28/2009 12:49
      VIETNAM
      Cardinal Pham Dinh Tung, a model for all Vietnamese
      …. The majority of the faithful followed the Mass from outside of the cathedral, on large video screens, wearing white headbands as a sign of mourning…..

      there barry_’bot, made it easier for ya, excerpted from above

      ‘bot

    • Anonymous

      » 02/28/2009 12:49
      VIETNAM
      Cardinal Pham Dinh Tung, a model for all Vietnamese
      by J.B. Vu
      At least 30,000 people from all over Vietnam and from abroad attended his funeral. Many montagnards arrived the day before, sleeping in the open air or in makeshift shelters, to say goodbye to the man they call “our father” and “the pillar of Vietnam.”

      Hanoi (AsiaNews) – “Cardinal Joseph Pahm Dinh Tung, with his humble, devoted work in service of the poor and of the Church, is the model for the entire Vietnamese people”: this is the view expressed by many, bishops and faithful, on the figure of the former archbishop of Hanoi, who died last February 22 at the age of 89.The respect for him and for his work was manifested on the day of his funeral, February 26: at least 30,000 people attended, coming to the capital from all over the country. Many montagnards arrived the day before, sleeping in the open air or in makeshift shelters, just to be able to say their last goodbye to the cardinal’s body, participating in a ceremony held at the cathedral.20 bishops and 500 priests took part in the funeral, together with Cardinal Pham Minh Man, the archbishop of Ho Chi Minh City, whom Benedict XVI chose as his legate. The majority of the faithful followed the Mass from outside of the cathedral, on large video screens, wearing white headbands as a sign of mourning.In the homily, Bishop Paul Nguyen Van Hoa of Nha Trang emphasized that the deceased cardinal “died in God because he lived in God,” and asked the faithful to follow his example, “trusting in the love of God and laboring in works of charity.”Hung, one of the thousands of participants, said that Cardinal Pham Dinh Tung is “a pillar of Vietnam. He was a father for all of us.” One elderly montagnard called his death “a gift for all Catholics of Vietnam, because they have been ‘enlightened’ (giac ngo) at the beginning of Lent.”The funeral was also attended by government representatives and figures from other religions; in addition to foreign representatives of the American embassy, the Korean community, and the foreign missions of Paris.The body of the deceased cardinal was buried beneath the altar of the cathedral.ment here.

      ‘bot

    • Anonymous

      » 02/28/2009 12:49
      VIETNAM
      Cardinal Pham Dinh Tung, a model for all Vietnamese
      by J.B. Vu
      At least 30,000 people from all over Vietnam and from abroad attended his funeral. Many montagnards arrived the day before, sleeping in the open air or in makeshift shelters, to say goodbye to the man they call “our father” and “the pillar of Vietnam.”

      Hanoi (AsiaNews) – “Cardinal Joseph Pahm Dinh Tung, with his humble, devoted work in service of the poor and of the Church, is the model for the entire Vietnamese people”: this is the view expressed by many, bishops and faithful, on the figure of the former archbishop of Hanoi, who died last February 22 at the age of 89.The respect for him and for his work was manifested on the day of his funeral, February 26: at least 30,000 people attended, coming to the capital from all over the country. Many montagnards arrived the day before, sleeping in the open air or in makeshift shelters, just to be able to say their last goodbye to the cardinal’s body, participating in a ceremony held at the cathedral.20 bishops and 500 priests took part in the funeral, together with Cardinal Pham Minh Man, the archbishop of Ho Chi Minh City, whom Benedict XVI chose as his legate. The majority of the faithful followed the Mass from outside of the cathedral, on large video screens, wearing white headbands as a sign of mourning.In the homily, Bishop Paul Nguyen Van Hoa of Nha Trang emphasized that the deceased cardinal “died in God because he lived in God,” and asked the faithful to follow his example, “trusting in the love of God and laboring in works of charity.”Hung, one of the thousands of participants, said that Cardinal Pham Dinh Tung is “a pillar of Vietnam. He was a father for all of us.” One elderly montagnard called his death “a gift for all Catholics of Vietnam, because they have been ‘enlightened’ (giac ngo) at the beginning of Lent.”The funeral was also attended by government representatives and figures from other religions; in addition to foreign representatives of the American embassy, the Korean community, and the foreign missions of Paris.The body of the deceased cardinal was buried beneath the altar of the cathedral.ment here.

      ‘bot

    • Anonymous

      Nope. In wearing white she is celebrating life.

      Colors in Korea

      JIyoun
      From the old time,Korean was called white-clad. Korean wears in white
      as soon as born and died.These white cloths express the buddish idea
      ‘come empty,return empty’and the white color means assimilation with
      nature.

      Choi.N.S
      Korean people admire white color. They believed that the sun is a God
      and the Korean is a son of the God and they wear the white colored
      cloths standing out the glory of the sun with pride. This became a
      tradition for Korean.The white color in Korea means
      purity,innocence,morality.
      http://www.colormatters.com/q-and-a/qa-global-color#Anchor-Colors-5185

      The wikipedia article that the PDSers are referencing specifically notes that the statement has not been verified. But, heck that never stopped PDSers from spreading lies and falsehoods, since that is their stock in trade.

    • Anonymous

      or runnin’ up the white flag of surrender

      though $he ain’t surrenderin’ somthin’ $he had NO intention of doin’, that bein’ runnin’ for president of the teabagger’s…

      what $he has successfully done though is made herself rich fleecin’ her ‘bots via $arahPAC$cam

    • Anonymous

      Unlike Clint$on and G$ore Moral losers and hoaxer$

    • Anonymous

      yeah now that werx ! LOL

    • Anonymous

      yeah now that werx ! LOL

    • Anonymous

      yeah now that werx ! LOL

    • Anonymous

      LOL, that you sodakhic ?

    • Anonymous

      LOL, that you sodakhic ?

    • Anonymous

      or runnin’ up the white flag of surrender

      though $he ain’t surrenderin’ somthin’ $he had NO intention of doin’, that bein’ runnin’ for president of the teabagger’s…

      what $he has successfully done though is made herself rich fleecin’ her ‘bots via $arahPAC$cam

    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

      deleted

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense.

      JIyoun

      From the old time,Korean was called white-clad. Korean wears in white
      as soon as born and died.These white cloths express the buddish idea
      ‘come empty,return empty’and the white color means assimilation with
      nature.

      Choi.N.S

      Korean people admire white color. They believed that the sun is a God
      and the Korean is a son of the God and they wear the white colored
      cloths standing out the glory of the sun with pride. This became a
      tradition for Korean.The white color in Korea means
      purity,innocence,morality.
      http://www.colormatters.com/q-and-a/qa-global-color#Anchor-Colors-5185

      But it is great to see PDSers exposing themselves as both ignorant and liars.

    • Anonymous

      While Westerns see white as the colour of purity and innocence, in some Asian cultures ( China, Vietnam, and Korea), white is the colour of death and mourning.In India, people wear white after the death of a family member.White is the traditional colour of bridal dresses in Western cultures. A woman wearing white will be seen as a bride on a Western website, and as a person in mourning on an Eastern website.White is also the colour of snow and winter. Some associate snow with Christmas, forgetting that countries from the Southern hemisphere don’t have snow during Christmas time.A white pigeon is an international sign of peace; a white flag is an international sign of surrender.

    • William Van Henley

      Gee sassy, what a liar are you.  Very big one is you.  All of Sarah’s family were minors except Track who was serving in Iraq.  When you, a liar are, at least try to get close to something realistic.  what a dunce are you,  YES you is…

    • Anonymous

      hey bill,
      is this you and your sign ?

    • Anonymous

      hey bill,
      is this you and your sign ?

    • Anonymous

      hey bill,
      is this you and your sign ?

    • Sassy

      Reading and comprehension are a big part of posting, you might want to try it…

    • Anonymous

      ‘course this might be bill too 

    • Anonymous

      ‘course this might be bill too 

    • Anonymous

      yay bill !!

    • Anonymous

      yay bill !!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NR5GXT34U3PNWDX5MZ7G5FBW4 Jack

      It was obvious from her preceding remarks in that interview with Glenn Beck that this really was just a slip of the tongue
      The lapsus was part of a much longer segment in which she clearly and repeatedly referred to South Korea as an ally of the U.S

      The media could even have done due diligence and checked Sarah Palin’s previous statements on the Korea subject, which have always been
      consistent, and in fact even ahead of the curve.

      Let’s just go back to Sarah Palin’s public comments about North Korean Missile Testing on April 6th 2009

      April 6, 2009, Juneau, Alaska – Responding to the missile test by North Korea, Governor Sarah Palin today reaffirmed Alaska’s commitment to protecting America from rogue nation missile attacks.

      “I am deeply concerned with North Korea’s development and testing program which has clear potential of impacting Alaska, a sovereign state of the United States, with a potentially nuclear armed warhead,” Governor Palin said. “I can’t emphasize enough how important it is that we continue to develop and perfect the global missile defense network. Alaska’s strategic location and the system in place here have proven invaluable in defending the nation.”—-Sarah Palin

      By the way, Obama Claims He’s Visited 57 States!

    • Sassy

      Please Jack, keep her. Alaskans have had enough of her shallow vindictive behavior. As for President Obama, I did not realize he was part of the story. For some reason you think because I do not support $Palin, I am in total support of President Obama. Sorry, I did not vote for him, but I just might this time. The GOP has nothing really to offer at this point.

    • NorCon

      LOL yeah you voted for Sarah in 2008, sure thing TT.

    • Sassy

      No, I did not.

    • NorCon

      And I should listen to a dumb-ass like you voting for a unvetted dumbass like Obama for what reason again?

    • Sassy

      For an intellectually challenged individual like you, I really don’t think you are qualified to vote in the first place.

    • NorCon

      Don’t blame me for you voting in a stupid vaporous affirmative action ideologue abandoned by his openly Communist parents and never having had dirt under his fingernails his whole miserable life.

    • Sassy

      You really have problem posting about the story. President Obama is not part of the story, trying to do so, makes you look mentally challenged.

    • NorCon

      Obama is part of your silly accusations against a Palin that shapes policy and political concepts in a world-environment. Obama wouldn’t dare mumble regime-change to N.K. that limp-hand “assistant” professor, so in that context yes Sarah vs. Obama is precisely part of the narrative.

      Thank you for playing..

    • Sassy

      LOL, $Palin is nothing more than a paid celebrity… She represents no one. She has not been elected for any office. Remember she quit… She is paid to speak, period. That does not mean that people with intelligence have to believe anything she has to say. Grifters have been around for a long time, $Palin has just taken it to a new level. I am sure she appreciates you paying for her vacations and the new home in Arizona. $Palin, appreciated everyone so much, she released it to the media, before letting those that had supported her, know that she was not doing anything. People in in Alaska have known for a long time what kind of person she is… Sorry, you are going to learn your lesson the hard way.

    • NorCon

      Yeah sure Alaska has known it a long time.. Thats why she had a 90% approval rating 10 months consecutively, thats why she got AIGA and ACES and ethics-reform passed and was bound to even more prosperity for Alaska until the Obama-machine and the Commie-org. within the DNC got bloodied by her in the 2008 election.

      The “progressive watershead” including media rooting for your God Obama surfing on a economic meltdown only managed 53% in that election lol! Go Sarah :D

      And for $: She does the same thing as your messiah Obama and shes the grifter. You might claim a nice exterior, your inside smells pretty pugent and irrational ufortunately. Thats my experience also, even socialists in Europe are more rational than dem. hacks that embrace hate.

      Please there is room for all of us, you please stay at “child-liker” Gryphens place and let us adults comment on things important for the future like booting marxist O. out on his ass, key’ sweetie?

    • NorCon

      Yeah sure Alaska has known it a long time.. Thats why she had a 90% approval rating 10 months consecutively, thats why she got AIGA and ACES and ethics-reform passed and was bound to even more prosperity for Alaska until the Obama-machine and the Commie-org. within the DNC got bloodied by her in the 2008 election.

      The “progressive watershead” including media rooting for your God Obama surfing on a economic meltdown only managed 53% in that election lol! Go Sarah :D

      And for $: She does the same thing as your messiah Obama and shes the grifter. You might claim a nice exterior, your inside smells pretty pugent and irrational ufortunately. Thats my experience also, even socialists in Europe are more rational than dem. hacks that embrace hate.

      Please there is room for all of us, you please stay at “child-liker” Gryphens place and let us adults comment on things important for the future like booting marxist O. out on his ass, key’ sweetie?

    • Sassy

      I do not know who Gryphen is? But are ignoring the facts as per normal. Fake polls, we found out the the truth. AGIA was in fact in the works before $Palin took office. ACES is a total failure… Cutting the Trooper Budget, endangered many lives. You are still trying to discuss the president, when he has absolutely nothing to do with $Palin’s failures.

    • NorCon

      You talk about facts but have none to provide yourself. You dismiss polls before the dem-haters got the call to take down Palin, but believe the polls that the Dems-haters spin today. Real classy “sassy”.

      Lie #1: ACES total failure – proof?
      Lie #2: Cutting Trooper-budget – proof?

      Ok lets focus on your lies, not Obama the grifter Commie.

      Give me some proof for you not lying.. waiting..

    • Sassy

      The Democrats have nothing to do with $Palins failures. She did that on her own. You do realize the Governor Parnell is trying to get it repealed. AGIA is a total loss and cost $500 million. Cutting the Trooper Budget was in the papers, it was also part of the Branchflower report, abuse of power concerning Troopergate. You do realize that $Palin filed it against herself.

    • NorCon
    • Sassy

      You are forgetting they were all appointed by $Palin, we know what she does, with people who go up against her but nice try.

      Your information on Wikipedia is not up to date, but nice try, you need more current information. I live here, you do not. AGIA is a total failure, $500 million down the tubes. This is now 2011 and nothing has been done.

    • NorCon

      Get back to me when you are interested in actually discussing anything on a serious level.

      You are exhibiting the normal lefty behavior now, jumping past any argument and deciding what is correct even on behalf of a public legislature and state-board.

      I will take your “nice try” as the furthest a leftist-hater will go in admitting anything as its never logic that informs them, only feelings and cup full of hate.

      As I said, thank you for playing, I pity you.

    • Sassy

      Nice try for the intellectually challenged, if you were really interested, you would not take the stance you have. Most of us the lived thru $Palin’s mafia style of governing. From mayor to governor, $Palin has done what she wanted regardless of if it was legal or not. Nothing has changed since high school, she has only become more shallow and vindictive. Try reading “The Rogue” and get back to me. Until then you are just blowing smoke.

    • Anonymous

      mafia? seriously?

    • Sassy

      What would you call it?

    • NorCon

      As I said, you got no proofs, you ignore my arguments for your own personal opinions, you deny state and local official information while you believe your own ideas of how things are.

      In essence you come across as nothing but a looser trying to run away from yourself and cling onto your conspiracy-theories.

      And I think whoever reads these posts would probably agree.

      Augmenting your own personal feelings over cold, hard facts are the prerogative of a leftist mindset, and fails again and again and again) in the real world.

      And PS: I have no “stance” I go by evidence-based facts, not some “sassy” that clearly only display hate and malice for whatever personal reason.

      Good riddance.

    • Guest

      And PS2: Those groundbreaking programs including ethics-reform was voted completely bi-partisan. Yes that includes the Democrats AND the legislature. Hows that for “mafia-style” governing lol.

      Sassy from Alaska – fool in fool out.

    • Sassy

      Attacking is so like $Palin… The facts are there, if you don’t want to read them, that is your problem not mine.

    • NorCon

      How can anyone read them when they are only in your head? Come on, give me som facts stupid one.

      Lets keep to one fact at a time, only one:

      Your claim: “Palin reduced the number of State-Troopers and that endangered lives”. And no I don’t mean her own security-detail, I mean for Alaska. Proof?

      You claim it, you provide fact, or else you are nothing more than an agitator with a cup full of hate.

      Waiting…

      And ps: “opinion” pieces in a Palin-hate screed like ADN is NOT a fact. I want specific statistics saying more people were endangered or hurt, budget numbers, state-trooper numbers during her governorship.

      Prove it or show your folly.

    • Sassy

      You are showing your reading and comprehension problem again, I see…

    • Sassy

      You are showing your reading and comprehension problem again, I see…

    • NorCon

      How old are you really, 12 1/2?? What a childish response.

    • Sassy

      LOL… I found you could not read and comprehend, I am surprised you can count.

    • NorCon

      Sorry you are right, 12 1/2 I meant just turned 9 and can’t find out how to close your browser-window yet, so you are stuck at “lol”ing.. good grief..

    • Sassy

      Sorry about your failures, eventually you will learn.

    • NorCon

      Oh i am learning alright.

      Learning that there is people that do not have a functioning input-interface, they only react to a set stuck instruction, cannot explain or show any reason for it other than how they perceive the world through a tiny leaded prism of hate, are not willing nor able to discuss contradictions, have no listening device and seem to be stuck on stupid.

      When I was younger I would care, now I know by experience that some people are going to insist that we didn’t go to the moon, it was all a fake. There is nothing to do about such a condition, its permanent until the very last day.

      You will never learn unfortunately.

    • NorCon

      Oh i am learning alright.

      Learning that there is people that do not have a functioning input-interface, they only react to a set stuck instruction, cannot explain or show any reason for it other than how they perceive the world through a tiny leaded prism of hate, are not willing nor able to discuss contradictions, have no listening device and seem to be stuck on stupid.

      When I was younger I would care, now I know by experience that some people are going to insist that we didn’t go to the moon, it was all a fake. There is nothing to do about such a condition, its permanent until the very last day.

      You will never learn unfortunately.

    • NorCon

      Sorry you are right, 12 1/2 I meant just turned 9 and can’t find out how to close your browser-window yet, so you are stuck at “lol”ing.. good grief..

    • NorCon

      How old are you really, 12 1/2?? What a childish response.

    • NorCon

      And another fact as opposed to your reader-suubmitted opinions in ADN; 24.000 emails showing Palin engaged, always for the people, exposing corruption, giving her staff extra free-day for christmas, talking about how she loves her special-need son (real mafia huh?), always concerned for the state-officials and the Alasla-brigade etc.etc.etc.etc.

      I think I’ll take facts that are facts, over open jealousy and hate and democrat-smearing of conservatives.

      She shows in full technicolor how rotten the democratic ideology is when it becomes stuffed with adult-looking EMOs, wishing the world was just like the front-page of Seven Adventists just without Christianity (Islam, buddhism etc. is ofcourse tolerated..).

      How do you feel now about that OWS thing. both the Communist-Party and the Nazi-Party have embraced the OWS, feeling better about it perhaps?

      Just asking…

    • NorCon

      Get back to me when you are interested in actually discussing anything on a serious level.

      You are exhibiting the normal lefty behavior now, jumping past any argument and deciding what is correct even on behalf of a public legislature and state-board.

      I will take your “nice try” as the furthest a leftist-hater will go in admitting anything as its never logic that informs them, only feelings and cup full of hate.

      As I said, thank you for playing, I pity you.

    • NorCon

      Get back to me when you are interested in actually discussing anything on a serious level.

      You are exhibiting the normal lefty behavior now, jumping past any argument and deciding what is correct even on behalf of a public legislature and state-board.

      I will take your “nice try” as the furthest a leftist-hater will go in admitting anything as its never logic that informs them, only feelings and cup full of hate.

      As I said, thank you for playing, I pity you.

    • Sassy

      You are forgetting they were all appointed by $Palin, we know what she does, with people who go up against her but nice try.

      Your information on Wikipedia is not up to date, but nice try, you need more current information. I live here, you do not. AGIA is a total failure, $500 million down the tubes. This is now 2011 and nothing has been done.

    • NorCon

      Obama is part of your silly accusations against a Palin that shapes policy and political concepts in a world-environment. Obama wouldn’t dare mumble regime-change to N.K. that limp-hand “assistant” professor, so in that context yes Sarah vs. Obama is precisely part of the narrative.

      Thank you for playing..

    • NorCon

      And I should listen to a dumb-ass like you voting for a unvetted dumbass like Obama for what reason again?

    • Anonymous

      Obama Voter outed! He’s failing so far. Too bad, so sad. /sarc

    • Anonymous

      i think you gott’a man crush on ol’ obammie

    • Anonymous

      i think you gott’a man crush on ol’ obammie

    • Anonymous

      Dumba$$. Women don’t have man crushes. You obviously have one for your Obammie.

    • Anonymous

      well now how about that, i did not know that.
      what is obvious though is the huge crush $carah’s got on ol’ obamamama, drives her freakin’ nutz that he pays her no mind, wants to chalk him up next to that glenn rice notch in her bedpost….LOL

    • Sassy

      And he has what to do with the story, get you head out of the clouds. Not every story is about President Obama, quit trying to make the story about your needs.

    • Sassy

      Did you forget about US territories? I know, most forget about them.

    • Sassy

      Did you forget about US territories? I know, most forget about them.

    • Anonymous

      Sarah Palin and the full “Dairygate” Timeline

      POSTED BY JAZZ SHAW, ASSISTANT EDITOR IN POLITICS.
      SEP 15TH, 2008 | 8 RESPONSESI need to thank alert reader Lee Indiana for pointing me to what is now, unfortunately, being called “Dairygate” in some circles and setting me off on a morning’s expedition with The Google. Even if you are already aware of the strange goings on between the Alaska state government and the long, winding tale of the Matanuska Maid dairy in Anchorage, (later referred to as “Mat Maid”) here is what I’ve found, laid out in a timeline with background information on all of the players.In December of 2006, the historic Matanuska Maid dairy closes its doors after years of financial troubles. Operating since the 1930?s, it was taken over by the state to keep it solvent during the 80?s but remained a money sink for most of its operating life.Spring of 2007. The government has moved again to use state funds to keep the struggling dairy afloat. More financial woes ensue, and in June of 2007 Sarah Palinz swoops in to the rescue, declaring that the dairy situation is “a mess” and the she is “going to clean it up.”August, 2007. The previously discussed Franci Havemeister is appointed to the position of Director of Agriculture at a salary of roughly $100K, considerably more than she made in her real estate business. (Remember the real estate connection for later.) Her appointment comes despite her previously noted “thin” credentials for the position. She is the daughter-in-law of local dairy farmerBob Havemeister. (We’ll be getting back to Bob in a bit… keep reading.)Nov. 19, 2007. Franci Havemeister issues a gag order, saying that nobody other than fellow political appointee Ray Nix, of the Dept. of Agriculture, is allowed to speak to the press about the situation with Mat Maid.Dec. 20, 2007. Troubles continue at the dairy, and four local dairy farmers, including Bob Havemeister, are worried that they will have to begin dumping their milk on the ground, spurring concerns from environmentalists. An offer comes in from Kyle Beus (remember that name for later also. we’ll be getting back to him) to purchase some of the milk for a dairy coop he’s starting up to produce cheese and other creamery goods.Dec. 24, 2007. Good news comes just in time for Christmas for the four previously mentioned dairy farmers. A $600,000 grant has been made available by the state government to cover costs related to Mat Maid and the farmers will be able to tap into that for cash payments of $40,000 each to “cover their losses.” State Senate President Lyda Green (R-Wasilla) initially objects to the cash payouts, saying the money was appropriated to cover the state’s debt, but later relents, saying, it was an appropriate use of the funds.March 21, 2008. Reports surface that Kyle Beus (remember him?) has landed himself a sweetheart of a deal, gutting and leasing dairy equipment from the now effectively defunct Mat Maid facility for his new creamery coop. Both Beus and Ray Nix (see above) brush off the reports, saying that the discount prices are “nothing unusual” in these types of situations.May 15, 2008. State auditors say that the government went against the law in handing out the $40K payments to the farmers, including Franci Havemeister’s father-in-law. State senate president Lyda Greenz (R-Wasilla) reiterates her feelings that the payments were made “with good intentions” and that she “didn’t view it quite as harshly” as the auditors.May 31, 2008. Kyle Beus has a ribbon cutting ceremony, opening his new creamery. Reporters find him looking “deceptively at ease for a guy who is currently propping up the state’s dairy business.” And he probably should look that way. In addition to the discount equipment rentals, he’s recently received a $643,000 grant from the Alaska Dept. of Agriculture under the direction of… Franci Havemeister.Kyle Beus turns out to be an exceptionally fortunate fellow in the dairy game. His background bioindicates that he moved to Alaska in 2000, and since then received $116,967 in dairy related government subsidy payments from the Dept. of Agriculture between 2002 and 2005. This is a very fortunate situation for somebody who has been under investigation by the state’s labor board for years over charges that he failed to provide workman’s compensation insurance to his employees, among other “oversights.”Aug. 23, 2008. The former Mat Maid plant is unloaded off the state books. The state’s only other dairy interest looks into purchasing it, but somehow can’t get a bid qualified. The only qualified bid received comes from Franci Havemeister’s real estate colleague, Matt Bobbich, and the facility is sold for the minimum bid acceptable by the state, $1.5M. It’s termed a “break even” deal for Alaska.Interesting enough, Matt Bobbich previously had delinquent tax charges against him dismissed when the plaintiff failed to appear at the appeal hearing. He was also a popular political donor on the local scene.What does all of this add up to? We’ll have to leave it to sharper legal beagles than yours truly to sort it all out, but there certainly does seem to be a lot of money changing hands between a small group of related individuals.

    • Anonymous

      Sarah Palin and the full “Dairygate” Timeline

      POSTED BY JAZZ SHAW, ASSISTANT EDITOR IN POLITICS.
      SEP 15TH, 2008 | 8 RESPONSESI need to thank alert reader Lee Indiana for pointing me to what is now, unfortunately, being called “Dairygate” in some circles and setting me off on a morning’s expedition with The Google. Even if you are already aware of the strange goings on between the Alaska state government and the long, winding tale of the Matanuska Maid dairy in Anchorage, (later referred to as “Mat Maid”) here is what I’ve found, laid out in a timeline with background information on all of the players.In December of 2006, the historic Matanuska Maid dairy closes its doors after years of financial troubles. Operating since the 1930?s, it was taken over by the state to keep it solvent during the 80?s but remained a money sink for most of its operating life.Spring of 2007. The government has moved again to use state funds to keep the struggling dairy afloat. More financial woes ensue, and in June of 2007 Sarah Palinz swoops in to the rescue, declaring that the dairy situation is “a mess” and the she is “going to clean it up.”August, 2007. The previously discussed Franci Havemeister is appointed to the position of Director of Agriculture at a salary of roughly $100K, considerably more than she made in her real estate business. (Remember the real estate connection for later.) Her appointment comes despite her previously noted “thin” credentials for the position. She is the daughter-in-law of local dairy farmerBob Havemeister. (We’ll be getting back to Bob in a bit… keep reading.)Nov. 19, 2007. Franci Havemeister issues a gag order, saying that nobody other than fellow political appointee Ray Nix, of the Dept. of Agriculture, is allowed to speak to the press about the situation with Mat Maid.Dec. 20, 2007. Troubles continue at the dairy, and four local dairy farmers, including Bob Havemeister, are worried that they will have to begin dumping their milk on the ground, spurring concerns from environmentalists. An offer comes in from Kyle Beus (remember that name for later also. we’ll be getting back to him) to purchase some of the milk for a dairy coop he’s starting up to produce cheese and other creamery goods.Dec. 24, 2007. Good news comes just in time for Christmas for the four previously mentioned dairy farmers. A $600,000 grant has been made available by the state government to cover costs related to Mat Maid and the farmers will be able to tap into that for cash payments of $40,000 each to “cover their losses.” State Senate President Lyda Green (R-Wasilla) initially objects to the cash payouts, saying the money was appropriated to cover the state’s debt, but later relents, saying, it was an appropriate use of the funds.March 21, 2008. Reports surface that Kyle Beus (remember him?) has landed himself a sweetheart of a deal, gutting and leasing dairy equipment from the now effectively defunct Mat Maid facility for his new creamery coop. Both Beus and Ray Nix (see above) brush off the reports, saying that the discount prices are “nothing unusual” in these types of situations.May 15, 2008. State auditors say that the government went against the law in handing out the $40K payments to the farmers, including Franci Havemeister’s father-in-law. State senate president Lyda Greenz (R-Wasilla) reiterates her feelings that the payments were made “with good intentions” and that she “didn’t view it quite as harshly” as the auditors.May 31, 2008. Kyle Beus has a ribbon cutting ceremony, opening his new creamery. Reporters find him looking “deceptively at ease for a guy who is currently propping up the state’s dairy business.” And he probably should look that way. In addition to the discount equipment rentals, he’s recently received a $643,000 grant from the Alaska Dept. of Agriculture under the direction of… Franci Havemeister.Kyle Beus turns out to be an exceptionally fortunate fellow in the dairy game. His background bioindicates that he moved to Alaska in 2000, and since then received $116,967 in dairy related government subsidy payments from the Dept. of Agriculture between 2002 and 2005. This is a very fortunate situation for somebody who has been under investigation by the state’s labor board for years over charges that he failed to provide workman’s compensation insurance to his employees, among other “oversights.”Aug. 23, 2008. The former Mat Maid plant is unloaded off the state books. The state’s only other dairy interest looks into purchasing it, but somehow can’t get a bid qualified. The only qualified bid received comes from Franci Havemeister’s real estate colleague, Matt Bobbich, and the facility is sold for the minimum bid acceptable by the state, $1.5M. It’s termed a “break even” deal for Alaska.Interesting enough, Matt Bobbich previously had delinquent tax charges against him dismissed when the plaintiff failed to appear at the appeal hearing. He was also a popular political donor on the local scene.What does all of this add up to? We’ll have to leave it to sharper legal beagles than yours truly to sort it all out, but there certainly does seem to be a lot of money changing hands between a small group of related individuals.

    • Anonymous

      Blah Blah Blah… More lies from the Palin Derangement Syndrome morons. 

    • Anonymous

      look it up tea_’tard

    • Anonymous

      You’re just a turd posting lies.

    • Anonymous

      You’re just a turd posting lies.

    • Anonymous

      tea_’tard, tea_turd, yawn, all the same to me

    • Anonymous

      look it up tea_’tard

    • Anonymous

      Sarah Palin and the full “Dairygate” Timeline

      POSTED BY JAZZ SHAW, ASSISTANT EDITOR IN POLITICS.
      SEP 15TH, 2008 | 8 RESPONSESI need to thank alert reader Lee Indiana for pointing me to what is now, unfortunately, being called “Dairygate” in some circles and setting me off on a morning’s expedition with The Google. Even if you are already aware of the strange goings on between the Alaska state government and the long, winding tale of the Matanuska Maid dairy in Anchorage, (later referred to as “Mat Maid”) here is what I’ve found, laid out in a timeline with background information on all of the players.In December of 2006, the historic Matanuska Maid dairy closes its doors after years of financial troubles. Operating since the 1930?s, it was taken over by the state to keep it solvent during the 80?s but remained a money sink for most of its operating life.Spring of 2007. The government has moved again to use state funds to keep the struggling dairy afloat. More financial woes ensue, and in June of 2007 Sarah Palinz swoops in to the rescue, declaring that the dairy situation is “a mess” and the she is “going to clean it up.”August, 2007. The previously discussed Franci Havemeister is appointed to the position of Director of Agriculture at a salary of roughly $100K, considerably more than she made in her real estate business. (Remember the real estate connection for later.) Her appointment comes despite her previously noted “thin” credentials for the position. She is the daughter-in-law of local dairy farmerBob Havemeister. (We’ll be getting back to Bob in a bit… keep reading.)Nov. 19, 2007. Franci Havemeister issues a gag order, saying that nobody other than fellow political appointee Ray Nix, of the Dept. of Agriculture, is allowed to speak to the press about the situation with Mat Maid.Dec. 20, 2007. Troubles continue at the dairy, and four local dairy farmers, including Bob Havemeister, are worried that they will have to begin dumping their milk on the ground, spurring concerns from environmentalists. An offer comes in from Kyle Beus (remember that name for later also. we’ll be getting back to him) to purchase some of the milk for a dairy coop he’s starting up to produce cheese and other creamery goods.Dec. 24, 2007. Good news comes just in time for Christmas for the four previously mentioned dairy farmers. A $600,000 grant has been made available by the state government to cover costs related to Mat Maid and the farmers will be able to tap into that for cash payments of $40,000 each to “cover their losses.” State Senate President Lyda Green (R-Wasilla) initially objects to the cash payouts, saying the money was appropriated to cover the state’s debt, but later relents, saying, it was an appropriate use of the funds.March 21, 2008. Reports surface that Kyle Beus (remember him?) has landed himself a sweetheart of a deal, gutting and leasing dairy equipment from the now effectively defunct Mat Maid facility for his new creamery coop. Both Beus and Ray Nix (see above) brush off the reports, saying that the discount prices are “nothing unusual” in these types of situations.May 15, 2008. State auditors say that the government went against the law in handing out the $40K payments to the farmers, including Franci Havemeister’s father-in-law. State senate president Lyda Greenz (R-Wasilla) reiterates her feelings that the payments were made “with good intentions” and that she “didn’t view it quite as harshly” as the auditors.May 31, 2008. Kyle Beus has a ribbon cutting ceremony, opening his new creamery. Reporters find him looking “deceptively at ease for a guy who is currently propping up the state’s dairy business.” And he probably should look that way. In addition to the discount equipment rentals, he’s recently received a $643,000 grant from the Alaska Dept. of Agriculture under the direction of… Franci Havemeister.Kyle Beus turns out to be an exceptionally fortunate fellow in the dairy game. His background bioindicates that he moved to Alaska in 2000, and since then received $116,967 in dairy related government subsidy payments from the Dept. of Agriculture between 2002 and 2005. This is a very fortunate situation for somebody who has been under investigation by the state’s labor board for years over charges that he failed to provide workman’s compensation insurance to his employees, among other “oversights.”Aug. 23, 2008. The former Mat Maid plant is unloaded off the state books. The state’s only other dairy interest looks into purchasing it, but somehow can’t get a bid qualified. The only qualified bid received comes from Franci Havemeister’s real estate colleague, Matt Bobbich, and the facility is sold for the minimum bid acceptable by the state, $1.5M. It’s termed a “break even” deal for Alaska.Interesting enough, Matt Bobbich previously had delinquent tax charges against him dismissed when the plaintiff failed to appear at the appeal hearing. He was also a popular political donor on the local scene.What does all of this add up to? We’ll have to leave it to sharper legal beagles than yours truly to sort it all out, but there certainly does seem to be a lot of money changing hands between a small group of related individuals.

    • Anonymous

      Sarah Palin and the full “Dairygate” Timeline

      POSTED BY JAZZ SHAW, ASSISTANT EDITOR IN POLITICS.
      SEP 15TH, 2008 | 8 RESPONSESI need to thank alert reader Lee Indiana for pointing me to what is now, unfortunately, being called “Dairygate” in some circles and setting me off on a morning’s expedition with The Google. Even if you are already aware of the strange goings on between the Alaska state government and the long, winding tale of the Matanuska Maid dairy in Anchorage, (later referred to as “Mat Maid”) here is what I’ve found, laid out in a timeline with background information on all of the players.In December of 2006, the historic Matanuska Maid dairy closes its doors after years of financial troubles. Operating since the 1930?s, it was taken over by the state to keep it solvent during the 80?s but remained a money sink for most of its operating life.Spring of 2007. The government has moved again to use state funds to keep the struggling dairy afloat. More financial woes ensue, and in June of 2007 Sarah Palinz swoops in to the rescue, declaring that the dairy situation is “a mess” and the she is “going to clean it up.”August, 2007. The previously discussed Franci Havemeister is appointed to the position of Director of Agriculture at a salary of roughly $100K, considerably more than she made in her real estate business. (Remember the real estate connection for later.) Her appointment comes despite her previously noted “thin” credentials for the position. She is the daughter-in-law of local dairy farmerBob Havemeister. (We’ll be getting back to Bob in a bit… keep reading.)Nov. 19, 2007. Franci Havemeister issues a gag order, saying that nobody other than fellow political appointee Ray Nix, of the Dept. of Agriculture, is allowed to speak to the press about the situation with Mat Maid.Dec. 20, 2007. Troubles continue at the dairy, and four local dairy farmers, including Bob Havemeister, are worried that they will have to begin dumping their milk on the ground, spurring concerns from environmentalists. An offer comes in from Kyle Beus (remember that name for later also. we’ll be getting back to him) to purchase some of the milk for a dairy coop he’s starting up to produce cheese and other creamery goods.Dec. 24, 2007. Good news comes just in time for Christmas for the four previously mentioned dairy farmers. A $600,000 grant has been made available by the state government to cover costs related to Mat Maid and the farmers will be able to tap into that for cash payments of $40,000 each to “cover their losses.” State Senate President Lyda Green (R-Wasilla) initially objects to the cash payouts, saying the money was appropriated to cover the state’s debt, but later relents, saying, it was an appropriate use of the funds.March 21, 2008. Reports surface that Kyle Beus (remember him?) has landed himself a sweetheart of a deal, gutting and leasing dairy equipment from the now effectively defunct Mat Maid facility for his new creamery coop. Both Beus and Ray Nix (see above) brush off the reports, saying that the discount prices are “nothing unusual” in these types of situations.May 15, 2008. State auditors say that the government went against the law in handing out the $40K payments to the farmers, including Franci Havemeister’s father-in-law. State senate president Lyda Greenz (R-Wasilla) reiterates her feelings that the payments were made “with good intentions” and that she “didn’t view it quite as harshly” as the auditors.May 31, 2008. Kyle Beus has a ribbon cutting ceremony, opening his new creamery. Reporters find him looking “deceptively at ease for a guy who is currently propping up the state’s dairy business.” And he probably should look that way. In addition to the discount equipment rentals, he’s recently received a $643,000 grant from the Alaska Dept. of Agriculture under the direction of… Franci Havemeister.Kyle Beus turns out to be an exceptionally fortunate fellow in the dairy game. His background bioindicates that he moved to Alaska in 2000, and since then received $116,967 in dairy related government subsidy payments from the Dept. of Agriculture between 2002 and 2005. This is a very fortunate situation for somebody who has been under investigation by the state’s labor board for years over charges that he failed to provide workman’s compensation insurance to his employees, among other “oversights.”Aug. 23, 2008. The former Mat Maid plant is unloaded off the state books. The state’s only other dairy interest looks into purchasing it, but somehow can’t get a bid qualified. The only qualified bid received comes from Franci Havemeister’s real estate colleague, Matt Bobbich, and the facility is sold for the minimum bid acceptable by the state, $1.5M. It’s termed a “break even” deal for Alaska.Interesting enough, Matt Bobbich previously had delinquent tax charges against him dismissed when the plaintiff failed to appear at the appeal hearing. He was also a popular political donor on the local scene.What does all of this add up to? We’ll have to leave it to sharper legal beagles than yours truly to sort it all out, but there certainly does seem to be a lot of money changing hands between a small group of related individuals.

    • Anonymous

      Sarah Palin and the full “Dairygate” Timeline

      POSTED BY JAZZ SHAW, ASSISTANT EDITOR IN POLITICS.
      SEP 15TH, 2008 | 8 RESPONSESI need to thank alert reader Lee Indiana for pointing me to what is now, unfortunately, being called “Dairygate” in some circles and setting me off on a morning’s expedition with The Google. Even if you are already aware of the strange goings on between the Alaska state government and the long, winding tale of the Matanuska Maid dairy in Anchorage, (later referred to as “Mat Maid”) here is what I’ve found, laid out in a timeline with background information on all of the players.In December of 2006, the historic Matanuska Maid dairy closes its doors after years of financial troubles. Operating since the 1930?s, it was taken over by the state to keep it solvent during the 80?s but remained a money sink for most of its operating life.Spring of 2007. The government has moved again to use state funds to keep the struggling dairy afloat. More financial woes ensue, and in June of 2007 Sarah Palinz swoops in to the rescue, declaring that the dairy situation is “a mess” and the she is “going to clean it up.”August, 2007. The previously discussed Franci Havemeister is appointed to the position of Director of Agriculture at a salary of roughly $100K, considerably more than she made in her real estate business. (Remember the real estate connection for later.) Her appointment comes despite her previously noted “thin” credentials for the position. She is the daughter-in-law of local dairy farmerBob Havemeister. (We’ll be getting back to Bob in a bit… keep reading.)Nov. 19, 2007. Franci Havemeister issues a gag order, saying that nobody other than fellow political appointee Ray Nix, of the Dept. of Agriculture, is allowed to speak to the press about the situation with Mat Maid.Dec. 20, 2007. Troubles continue at the dairy, and four local dairy farmers, including Bob Havemeister, are worried that they will have to begin dumping their milk on the ground, spurring concerns from environmentalists. An offer comes in from Kyle Beus (remember that name for later also. we’ll be getting back to him) to purchase some of the milk for a dairy coop he’s starting up to produce cheese and other creamery goods.Dec. 24, 2007. Good news comes just in time for Christmas for the four previously mentioned dairy farmers. A $600,000 grant has been made available by the state government to cover costs related to Mat Maid and the farmers will be able to tap into that for cash payments of $40,000 each to “cover their losses.” State Senate President Lyda Green (R-Wasilla) initially objects to the cash payouts, saying the money was appropriated to cover the state’s debt, but later relents, saying, it was an appropriate use of the funds.March 21, 2008. Reports surface that Kyle Beus (remember him?) has landed himself a sweetheart of a deal, gutting and leasing dairy equipment from the now effectively defunct Mat Maid facility for his new creamery coop. Both Beus and Ray Nix (see above) brush off the reports, saying that the discount prices are “nothing unusual” in these types of situations.May 15, 2008. State auditors say that the government went against the law in handing out the $40K payments to the farmers, including Franci Havemeister’s father-in-law. State senate president Lyda Greenz (R-Wasilla) reiterates her feelings that the payments were made “with good intentions” and that she “didn’t view it quite as harshly” as the auditors.May 31, 2008. Kyle Beus has a ribbon cutting ceremony, opening his new creamery. Reporters find him looking “deceptively at ease for a guy who is currently propping up the state’s dairy business.” And he probably should look that way. In addition to the discount equipment rentals, he’s recently received a $643,000 grant from the Alaska Dept. of Agriculture under the direction of… Franci Havemeister.Kyle Beus turns out to be an exceptionally fortunate fellow in the dairy game. His background bioindicates that he moved to Alaska in 2000, and since then received $116,967 in dairy related government subsidy payments from the Dept. of Agriculture between 2002 and 2005. This is a very fortunate situation for somebody who has been under investigation by the state’s labor board for years over charges that he failed to provide workman’s compensation insurance to his employees, among other “oversights.”Aug. 23, 2008. The former Mat Maid plant is unloaded off the state books. The state’s only other dairy interest looks into purchasing it, but somehow can’t get a bid qualified. The only qualified bid received comes from Franci Havemeister’s real estate colleague, Matt Bobbich, and the facility is sold for the minimum bid acceptable by the state, $1.5M. It’s termed a “break even” deal for Alaska.Interesting enough, Matt Bobbich previously had delinquent tax charges against him dismissed when the plaintiff failed to appear at the appeal hearing. He was also a popular political donor on the local scene.What does all of this add up to? We’ll have to leave it to sharper legal beagles than yours truly to sort it all out, but there certainly does seem to be a lot of money changing hands between a small group of related individuals.

    • Anonymous

      Sarah Palin and the full “Dairygate” Timeline

      POSTED BY JAZZ SHAW, ASSISTANT EDITOR IN POLITICS.
      SEP 15TH, 2008 | 8 RESPONSESI need to thank alert reader Lee Indiana for pointing me to what is now, unfortunately, being called “Dairygate” in some circles and setting me off on a morning’s expedition with The Google. Even if you are already aware of the strange goings on between the Alaska state government and the long, winding tale of the Matanuska Maid dairy in Anchorage, (later referred to as “Mat Maid”) here is what I’ve found, laid out in a timeline with background information on all of the players.In December of 2006, the historic Matanuska Maid dairy closes its doors after years of financial troubles. Operating since the 1930?s, it was taken over by the state to keep it solvent during the 80?s but remained a money sink for most of its operating life.Spring of 2007. The government has moved again to use state funds to keep the struggling dairy afloat. More financial woes ensue, and in June of 2007 Sarah Palinz swoops in to the rescue, declaring that the dairy situation is “a mess” and the she is “going to clean it up.”August, 2007. The previously discussed Franci Havemeister is appointed to the position of Director of Agriculture at a salary of roughly $100K, considerably more than she made in her real estate business. (Remember the real estate connection for later.) Her appointment comes despite her previously noted “thin” credentials for the position. She is the daughter-in-law of local dairy farmerBob Havemeister. (We’ll be getting back to Bob in a bit… keep reading.)Nov. 19, 2007. Franci Havemeister issues a gag order, saying that nobody other than fellow political appointee Ray Nix, of the Dept. of Agriculture, is allowed to speak to the press about the situation with Mat Maid.Dec. 20, 2007. Troubles continue at the dairy, and four local dairy farmers, including Bob Havemeister, are worried that they will have to begin dumping their milk on the ground, spurring concerns from environmentalists. An offer comes in from Kyle Beus (remember that name for later also. we’ll be getting back to him) to purchase some of the milk for a dairy coop he’s starting up to produce cheese and other creamery goods.Dec. 24, 2007. Good news comes just in time for Christmas for the four previously mentioned dairy farmers. A $600,000 grant has been made available by the state government to cover costs related to Mat Maid and the farmers will be able to tap into that for cash payments of $40,000 each to “cover their losses.” State Senate President Lyda Green (R-Wasilla) initially objects to the cash payouts, saying the money was appropriated to cover the state’s debt, but later relents, saying, it was an appropriate use of the funds.March 21, 2008. Reports surface that Kyle Beus (remember him?) has landed himself a sweetheart of a deal, gutting and leasing dairy equipment from the now effectively defunct Mat Maid facility for his new creamery coop. Both Beus and Ray Nix (see above) brush off the reports, saying that the discount prices are “nothing unusual” in these types of situations.May 15, 2008. State auditors say that the government went against the law in handing out the $40K payments to the farmers, including Franci Havemeister’s father-in-law. State senate president Lyda Greenz (R-Wasilla) reiterates her feelings that the payments were made “with good intentions” and that she “didn’t view it quite as harshly” as the auditors.May 31, 2008. Kyle Beus has a ribbon cutting ceremony, opening his new creamery. Reporters find him looking “deceptively at ease for a guy who is currently propping up the state’s dairy business.” And he probably should look that way. In addition to the discount equipment rentals, he’s recently received a $643,000 grant from the Alaska Dept. of Agriculture under the direction of… Franci Havemeister.Kyle Beus turns out to be an exceptionally fortunate fellow in the dairy game. His background bioindicates that he moved to Alaska in 2000, and since then received $116,967 in dairy related government subsidy payments from the Dept. of Agriculture between 2002 and 2005. This is a very fortunate situation for somebody who has been under investigation by the state’s labor board for years over charges that he failed to provide workman’s compensation insurance to his employees, among other “oversights.”Aug. 23, 2008. The former Mat Maid plant is unloaded off the state books. The state’s only other dairy interest looks into purchasing it, but somehow can’t get a bid qualified. The only qualified bid received comes from Franci Havemeister’s real estate colleague, Matt Bobbich, and the facility is sold for the minimum bid acceptable by the state, $1.5M. It’s termed a “break even” deal for Alaska.Interesting enough, Matt Bobbich previously had delinquent tax charges against him dismissed when the plaintiff failed to appear at the appeal hearing. He was also a popular political donor on the local scene.What does all of this add up to? We’ll have to leave it to sharper legal beagles than yours truly to sort it all out, but there certainly does seem to be a lot of money changing hands between a small group of related individuals.

    • Anonymous

      Sarah Palin and the full “Dairygate” Timeline

      POSTED BY JAZZ SHAW, ASSISTANT EDITOR IN POLITICS.
      SEP 15TH, 2008 | 8 RESPONSESI need to thank alert reader Lee Indiana for pointing me to what is now, unfortunately, being called “Dairygate” in some circles and setting me off on a morning’s expedition with The Google. Even if you are already aware of the strange goings on between the Alaska state government and the long, winding tale of the Matanuska Maid dairy in Anchorage, (later referred to as “Mat Maid”) here is what I’ve found, laid out in a timeline with background information on all of the players.In December of 2006, the historic Matanuska Maid dairy closes its doors after years of financial troubles. Operating since the 1930?s, it was taken over by the state to keep it solvent during the 80?s but remained a money sink for most of its operating life.Spring of 2007. The government has moved again to use state funds to keep the struggling dairy afloat. More financial woes ensue, and in June of 2007 Sarah Palinz swoops in to the rescue, declaring that the dairy situation is “a mess” and the she is “going to clean it up.”August, 2007. The previously discussed Franci Havemeister is appointed to the position of Director of Agriculture at a salary of roughly $100K, considerably more than she made in her real estate business. (Remember the real estate connection for later.) Her appointment comes despite her previously noted “thin” credentials for the position. She is the daughter-in-law of local dairy farmerBob Havemeister. (We’ll be getting back to Bob in a bit… keep reading.)Nov. 19, 2007. Franci Havemeister issues a gag order, saying that nobody other than fellow political appointee Ray Nix, of the Dept. of Agriculture, is allowed to speak to the press about the situation with Mat Maid.Dec. 20, 2007. Troubles continue at the dairy, and four local dairy farmers, including Bob Havemeister, are worried that they will have to begin dumping their milk on the ground, spurring concerns from environmentalists. An offer comes in from Kyle Beus (remember that name for later also. we’ll be getting back to him) to purchase some of the milk for a dairy coop he’s starting up to produce cheese and other creamery goods.Dec. 24, 2007. Good news comes just in time for Christmas for the four previously mentioned dairy farmers. A $600,000 grant has been made available by the state government to cover costs related to Mat Maid and the farmers will be able to tap into that for cash payments of $40,000 each to “cover their losses.” State Senate President Lyda Green (R-Wasilla) initially objects to the cash payouts, saying the money was appropriated to cover the state’s debt, but later relents, saying, it was an appropriate use of the funds.March 21, 2008. Reports surface that Kyle Beus (remember him?) has landed himself a sweetheart of a deal, gutting and leasing dairy equipment from the now effectively defunct Mat Maid facility for his new creamery coop. Both Beus and Ray Nix (see above) brush off the reports, saying that the discount prices are “nothing unusual” in these types of situations.May 15, 2008. State auditors say that the government went against the law in handing out the $40K payments to the farmers, including Franci Havemeister’s father-in-law. State senate president Lyda Greenz (R-Wasilla) reiterates her feelings that the payments were made “with good intentions” and that she “didn’t view it quite as harshly” as the auditors.May 31, 2008. Kyle Beus has a ribbon cutting ceremony, opening his new creamery. Reporters find him looking “deceptively at ease for a guy who is currently propping up the state’s dairy business.” And he probably should look that way. In addition to the discount equipment rentals, he’s recently received a $643,000 grant from the Alaska Dept. of Agriculture under the direction of… Franci Havemeister.Kyle Beus turns out to be an exceptionally fortunate fellow in the dairy game. His background bioindicates that he moved to Alaska in 2000, and since then received $116,967 in dairy related government subsidy payments from the Dept. of Agriculture between 2002 and 2005. This is a very fortunate situation for somebody who has been under investigation by the state’s labor board for years over charges that he failed to provide workman’s compensation insurance to his employees, among other “oversights.”Aug. 23, 2008. The former Mat Maid plant is unloaded off the state books. The state’s only other dairy interest looks into purchasing it, but somehow can’t get a bid qualified. The only qualified bid received comes from Franci Havemeister’s real estate colleague, Matt Bobbich, and the facility is sold for the minimum bid acceptable by the state, $1.5M. It’s termed a “break even” deal for Alaska.Interesting enough, Matt Bobbich previously had delinquent tax charges against him dismissed when the plaintiff failed to appear at the appeal hearing. He was also a popular political donor on the local scene.What does all of this add up to? We’ll have to leave it to sharper legal beagles than yours truly to sort it all out, but there certainly does seem to be a lot of money changing hands between a small group of related individuals.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5JKIBJECTIXOFMT2ZFO7YQ4GOI Bor

    The trove of more than 24,000 emails detailing almost every aspect of Sarah Palin’s governorship of Alaska paints a picture of her as an
    idealistic, conscientious, humorous and humane woman a hard-working Governor, a caring mother and wife, and an all-around good-natured human
    being…not exactly what media  had in mind.

    24,000 pages of e-mails…the truth is out there for all to see..

    Anyway, notice that none of the  critique are truly about Sarah Palin’s policies; they  concentrate on personal attacks that they hope will stick in the minds of those who are easily swayed by their incessant hate propaganda.

    • Anonymous

      You don’t mention that these emails were heavily edited before being released and that more than 1000 were kept secret – just saying…

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Anonymous

      they’re not forgetting, it’s more like they’re ignorant to the fact

    • Anonymous

      Nope.

      The reality is that PDSers’s stock in trade is lies, rumors and falsehoods.

    • Anonymous

      Nope.

      The reality is that PDSers’s stock in trade is lies, rumors and falsehoods.

    • Anonymous

      ?!?

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Sassy

      He/she/it is also forgetting about the other 6 emails accounts that were never released.

    • Anonymous

      BS! Everything has been released that was of importance. She has an awesome record. She doesn’t delete her emails like other politicians do. 

      Where are Obama’s emails btw?

    • Anonymous

      BS! Everything has been released that was of importance. She has an awesome record. She doesn’t delete her emails like other politicians do. 

      Where are Obama’s emails btw?

    • Anonymous

      where do you get yer info ?

    • NorCon

      Poor thing, didn’t that hope’n change work out for ya? I really pity you dear broom. Funny that Sarah does that same as Obama, Hillary and every other democrat or republican when it comes to funding a political life, but only Sarah is to be branded with a $ sign. If you only could argue some sense and in some proportion, it could be discussed. But as for haters you are really weak in your arguments, there like nothing of substance to write about?

      Bless your heart..

    • Anonymous

      Why the heck are you posting on this thread if what you say is true? 

    • Anonymous

      it’s a curiosity to see what kind’a morons get taken as rubes, palinbot tea_’tards lead the pack

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, how’s that Obama hopey-changey working out for you? Oh, you must be one of the paid Obama Astro-Turfers recruited from CraigsList or some other want ads. Got it now.

    • Anonymous

      it’s a curiosity to see what kind’a morons get taken as rubes, palinbot tea_’tards lead the pack

    • Anonymous

      it’s a curiosity to see what kind’a morons get taken as rubes, palinbot tea_’tards lead the pack

    • Anonymous

      it’s a curiosity to see what kind’a morons get taken as rubes, palinbot tea_’tards lead the pack

    • NorCon

      Start asking Obama for his emails, then come back to us TT.

    • Solomonpal

      Barry the imposter’s e- mails will come out. During the impeachment process.

    • Anonymous

      That would be delicious!

    • Anonymous

      That would be delicious!

    • Anonymous

      That would be delicious!

    • Anonymous

      That would be delicious!

    • Anonymous

      That would be delicious!

    • NorCon

      Start asking Obama for his emails, then come back to us TT.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5JKIBJECTIXOFMT2ZFO7YQ4GOI Bor

    The trove of more than 24,000 emails detailing almost every aspect of Sarah Palin’s governorship of Alaska paints a picture of her as an
    idealistic, conscientious, humorous and humane woman a hard-working Governor, a caring mother and wife, and an all-around good-natured human
    being…not exactly what media  had in mind.

    24,000 pages of e-mails…the truth is out there for all to see..

    Anyway, notice that none of the  critique are truly about Sarah Palin’s policies; they  concentrate on personal attacks that they hope will stick in the minds of those who are easily swayed by their incessant hate propaganda.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5JKIBJECTIXOFMT2ZFO7YQ4GOI Bor

    The trove of more than 24,000 emails detailing almost every aspect of Sarah Palin’s governorship of Alaska paints a picture of her as an
    idealistic, conscientious, humorous and humane woman a hard-working Governor, a caring mother and wife, and an all-around good-natured human
    being…not exactly what media  had in mind.

    24,000 pages of e-mails…the truth is out there for all to see..

    Anyway, notice that none of the  critique are truly about Sarah Palin’s policies; they  concentrate on personal attacks that they hope will stick in the minds of those who are easily swayed by their incessant hate propaganda.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NR5GXT34U3PNWDX5MZ7G5FBW4 Jack

    It was an excellent speech.

    She also gave a solid speech ( and Q&A) in India (March) and in Hong Kong.

    By
    the way ,notice that none of the  critique are truly about Sarah Palin’s  policies; they  concentrate on personal attacks that they hope will stick in the minds of those who are easily swayed by their incessant hate propaganda.
    Sarah Palin’s political opponents almost never use facts and substance to support their claims about Sarah Palin.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly! 

    • Anonymous

      Exactly! 

    • Anonymous

      platitudes, no substance what so ever, straight up platitudes

    • Anonymous

      You’re a F’ing loser – Got that? 

    • Anonymous

      fuk off, eh

    • Anonymous

      fuk off, eh

    • Anonymous

      fuk off, eh

    • Anonymous

      f- off

    • Anonymous

      f- off

    • Anonymous

      Back Atcha Hater!

    • Anonymous

      Back Atcha Hater!

    • Anonymous

      Back Atcha Hater!

    • Anonymous

      Back Atcha Hater!

    • Anonymous

      Back Atcha Hater!

    • Anonymous

      thought you mouth breathers spelled that ; h8ers ?!?

    • Anonymous

      You are a bottom feeder of outhouses loser.

    • Anonymous

      You are a bottom feeder of outhouses loser.

    • Anonymous

      now now there derinsed, you plagiarized 
      “bottom feeder” from me as i’d already  labeled one-0-yer own that term
      in this fuked up thread.
      be more original dewd

    • Anonymous

      You gotta admit that was somewhat funny dude.

    • Anonymous


      hate 
      to
      admit
      it,
      again,
      but
      now
      you’ve
      got
      me
      laughin’
      at
      both
      of
      us

    • Anonymous


      hate 
      to
      admit
      it,
      again,
      but
      now
      you’ve
      got
      me
      laughin’
      at
      both
      of
      us

    • Anonymous


      hate 
      to
      admit
      it,
      again,
      but
      now
      you’ve
      got
      me
      laughin’
      at
      both
      of
      us

    • Anonymous

      now now there derinsed, you plagiarized 
      “bottom feeder” from me as i’d already  labeled one-0-yer own that term
      in this fuked up thread.
      be more original dewd

    • Anonymous

      Back Atcha Hater!

    • Anonymous

      Back Atcha Hater!

    • Anonymous

      f- off

    • Anonymous

      f- off

    • Anonymous

      f- off

    • Anonymous

      f- off

    • Anonymous

      f- off

    • Anonymous

      You’re a F’ing loser – Got that? 

    • Anonymous

      You’re a F’ing loser – Got that? 

    • NorCon

      So you know better than the economists at the World forum? How convincing :)

    • NorCon

      So you know better than the economists at the World forum? How convincing :)

    • guest

      It was a ridiculous speech, presumptuous and insensitive. Utterly lacking in diplomacy. Criticized the host country’s economic structure and inappropriately chastised government and leadership of other countries. 
      Presented herself as a U.S. politician in a national leadership role, speaking on United States policy.

      Pure foolishness. The kindest thing I can say is that she just must not know better. She just doesn’t understand. I don’t think she deliberately did this in a calculated way, but that she truly doesn’t know.
      Who does she believe she is?

    • guest

      It was a ridiculous speech, presumptuous and insensitive. Utterly lacking in diplomacy. Criticized the host country’s economic structure and inappropriately chastised government and leadership of other countries. 
      Presented herself as a U.S. politician in a national leadership role, speaking on United States policy.

      Pure foolishness. The kindest thing I can say is that she just must not know better. She just doesn’t understand. I don’t think she deliberately did this in a calculated way, but that she truly doesn’t know.
      Who does she believe she is?

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

  • Anonymous

    Barry_Rasmussen 46 minutes ago
    @derised1:
    Sarah Palin Wows Audience At South Korea World Knowledge Forum; Denounces Crony Capitalism via Pat Dollard bit.ly/pnbdiz < Go Sarah!(Derised1 posted this earlier.)The PDSers are coming out, so if you want to have some fun and go after the trig-truther brigade, who are liars, racists and misogynists …
    the link is:http://patdollard.com/2011/10/.

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  • Anonymous

    Barry, honey you’re just sad.

  • Anonymous

    White is a traditional favorite color of the Korean people. In fact, Korean people have been called “the white-clad folk.” They wear white “Han-bok” (traditional Korean garment), “Bo-sun” (traditional Korean socks), and “Go-mu-shin” (traditional Korean shoes) in traditional ceremonies and commemorations.
    http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/papermary/papermary.html

    Colors in Korea

    JIyoun
    From the old time,Korean was called white-clad. Korean wears in white as soon as born and died.These white cloths express the buddish idea ‘come empty,return empty’and the white color means assimilation with nature.

    Choi.N.S
    Korean people admire white color. They believed that the sun is a God and the Korean is a son of the God and they wear the white colored cloths standing out the glory of the sun with pride. This became a tradition for Korean.The white color in Korea means purity,innocence,morality.

    http://www.colormatters.com/q-and-a/qa-global-color#Anchor-Colors-5185

    • Anonymous

      did you write that all by yourself ?

    • NorCon

      Trig-truthers poor little things, addicted to sexual thoughts and self-loathing. They are like the ones hating the popular girls at school, they resemble the fat rude girls sitting at the Wallmart-counters hating their own lives, projecting those negative self-feelings onto some subject. You can see it from what they focus on;

      1) Sexual (a contrast to their own lack of it, promiscuity and/or abuse)
      2) Children (the lack of family-life, also sometime disturbing childhoods stunting their adult development)
      3) Money (again the lack of talent and discipline, thus becoming socialists wanting what others have)

      Case closed.

    • Anonymous

      ?!?

    • Anonymous

      Looser

    • Anonymous

      ?!?

    • Anonymous

      ?!?

    • Anonymous

      ?!?

  • Anonymous

    Oh, look! By calling for “regime change” in North Korea, Sarah has tiptoed her little CFMPs into a possible international incident, and the South Korean government is running from her remarks just as fast as they can.

    that’s our Sarah — ignorance in action.

    • Anonymous

      $he’s special ain’t $he ?

    • Anonymous

      Bug off troll!

    • Anonymous

      can’t face the fact that yer queen quit on ya can ya.
      many of us alaskans have known her to be a fraud since $he was in high school.
      yer $arah’s an epic fraud and $he’s taken you morons to the cleaners, though do keep donating as $he’s likely to stay unemployed as $he can’t stand to work

      later troll 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NR5GXT34U3PNWDX5MZ7G5FBW4 Jack

      You never use facts and substance to support you claims about Sarah Palin; only gossip and smears.

    • Anonymous

      bunch’a sheep bein’ led to slaughter
      HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHAHA, by a skank quitter two bit whore

    • Anonymous

      Jaynie59 55 minutes ago

      Trusting Sarah Palin is not an option for me anymore.  I know most of the people here won’t agree, but that just makes what she did even sadder.Palin’s interview with Bob and Mark confirmed that she played all of us for fools. Maybe that wasn’t her intention, but that was the result and her subsequent coldness is telling.  It was hard to listen to that interview.  It was like she had no idea how many of us were putting all our hopes on her.  Well, you live and learn.  I hope Palin at least had the class to call people who changed their whole lives for her, but it wouldn’t surprise to find out she hasn’t.

    • Anonymous

      BS! You and “Jaynie” (if that’s not you troll) are not Palin supportesr just haters. You’ve been exposed nitwit!

    • Anonymous

      as i suggested before to jafro, check the IP address rocket man

    • Anonymous

      as i suggested before to jafro, check the IP address rocket man

    • Anonymous

      as i suggested before to jafro, check the IP address rocket man

    • Anonymous

      as i suggested before to jafro, check the IP address rocket man

    • Anonymous

      hey derised,
      found another troll for ya lurkin’ over at the c4p (c4p?!?dang, now that i’ve found out yer a girl i feel kind’a obligated to being quasi polite)
      take a look, his/her name’s habana ;

      Habana 15 minutes agohttp://www2.newsadvance.com:The appearance was among Palin’s first public appearances after announcing Wednesday her decision not to run for president. Palin referenced that decision just once in her speech, when she described disappointment with the contingent of supporters who voiced outrage over the decision.“They got mad and they would send some pretty mean emails and messages, and I thought ‘Oh come on, you’re going to trust me to be the leader of the free world but you don’t trust me to make the decision that God led me to make at this time,” she said.“It was prayerful consideration. It was prayerful.”GAME OVER!

    • Anonymous

      Admit it. You have crushes on me & Sarah! Busted!

    • Anonymous

      well now
      in
      hindsight, putting it in this new
       perspective,
      with you 
      maybe,
      8),
      sarah, no way

    • Anonymous

      well now
      in
      hindsight, putting it in this new
       perspective,
      with you 
      maybe,
      8),
      sarah, no way

    • Anonymous

      well now
      in
      hindsight, putting it in this new
       perspective,
      with you 
      maybe,
      8),
      sarah, no way

    • Anonymous

      BS! You and “Jaynie” (if that’s not you troll) are not Palin supportesr just haters. You’ve been exposed nitwit!

    • Anonymous

      Jaynie59 55 minutes ago

      Trusting Sarah Palin is not an option for me anymore.  I know most of the people here won’t agree, but that just makes what she did even sadder.Palin’s interview with Bob and Mark confirmed that she played all of us for fools. Maybe that wasn’t her intention, but that was the result and her subsequent coldness is telling.  It was hard to listen to that interview.  It was like she had no idea how many of us were putting all our hopes on her.  Well, you live and learn.  I hope Palin at least had the class to call people who changed their whole lives for her, but it wouldn’t surprise to find out she hasn’t.

    • Anonymous

      She hasn’t quit numbskull. She’s warming up!

    • NorCon

      The lousy-bunch in Alaska, the bloggers without life, shown on photos to be fat, short, ugly and without work (until Obamas proxy send you some dollars). No wonder you hate a successful gal like Sarah.

      And everybody laughs at your $ signs, Obama got 2 books written for him, everybody else have PACs running for them, but only Sarah is a $ collector who is wrong. Forget about her 2010 supreme influence in elections and her pro-bono speeches for soldiers and special needs children etc. 

      What more then hate do you “TT-bloggers” have? Yep its called Envy.

    • guest

      Alaska girl –  5′ 2″, 103 lbs., long blonde hair, own my own place, truck, boat, snowmachine, and business (a real business that one actually works at and does every day, not like Sarah’s “business”). Own a fishing boat and permit – a REAL boat. University degree (and the student loans to prove it). Working on a pilot’s license and looking forward to buying an R44 heli. 

      You’d buy me a drink if you saw me in a bar. 

    • NorCon

      Sure thing honey, the photos I saw form the “bloggers” gathering really showed the “stuff” lol.

      Yeah that Sarah thing; prime-salmon property, several boats for fishing, a son now cashing in, her own 2 books still selling should we say 5-10 USD million all in all not to mention the standing offer for TLC series type “name your own salary”?

      2 prime properties in Arizona, 3 mill.+ facebook-followers ready to follow her politically.

      Suuure seem Palins got some “bizniz” you betcha.

      I think I would have spoken to ya, up until you started rambling about “who Trigs real mother” was..

      Best of luck for your job, seems you will need some serious luck with your Obama-performance so far.. hope’nchange.. maybe mostly just despair?

    • NorCon

      The lousy-bunch in Alaska, the bloggers without life, shown on photos to be fat, short, ugly and without work (until Obamas proxy send you some dollars). No wonder you hate a successful gal like Sarah.

      And everybody laughs at your $ signs, Obama got 2 books written for him, everybody else have PACs running for them, but only Sarah is a $ collector who is wrong. Forget about her 2010 supreme influence in elections and her pro-bono speeches for soldiers and special needs children etc. 

      What more then hate do you “TT-bloggers” have? Yep its called Envy.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_54WFAGW7SOZAYYLI5RLEWHYA5U Jafro

      “many of us alaskans”.  NOT from Alaska.  Uncapitalized state=no pride, user profile contains only Florida-based news organizations, accusing others of what you-yourself are doing, ad hominem attacks…  baseless accusations and no substance = Liberal troll.

    • Anonymous

      yeah, i don’t live in alaska, right, fukin’ luv it 
      HAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAHA

    • Anonymous

      yeah, i don’t live in alaska, right, fukin’ luv it 
      HAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAHA

    • Anonymous

      yeah, i don’t live in alaska, right, fukin’ luv it 
      HAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAHA

    • Anonymous

      yeah, i don’t live in alaska, right, fukin’ luv it 
      HAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAHA

    • Anonymous

      yeah, i don’t live in alaska, right, fukin’ luv it 
      HAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAHA

    • Anonymous

      yeah, i don’t live in alaska, right, fukin’ luv it 
      HAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAHA

    • Anonymous

      yeah, i don’t live in alaska, right, fukin’ luv it 
      HAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAHA

    • Anonymous

      coombacks only here because their little pds group got shut down on ADN and they have to go somewehre to get their fix.

    • Anonymous

      well now, that’s a crock-0-BS, it got shutdown on account of a couple ‘bots hackin’ into other users accounts and postin’ under their names…

      Get yer story straight numb nutz

      wanna know somethin’ else, i can pretty much go anywhere on the ol’ internet too, like right here if’n i want to…

    • Anonymous

      it got shut down cuz you pds’ers always turn it into a food fight.
      just like you’re doing here.

    • Anonymous

      well now, that’s a crock-0-BS, it got shutdown on account of a couple ‘bots hackin’ into other users accounts and postin’ under their names…

      Get yer story straight numb nutz

      wanna know somethin’ else, i can pretty much go anywhere on the ol’ internet too, like right here if’n i want to…

    • Anonymous

      Bug off troll!

    • Anonymous

      Thanks for confirming that you agree with a communist dictatorship that starves its own people.

      Any right minded person would want to see the regime in North Korea overthrown.

    • Anonymous

      hey barry,
      did you happen to know that the sawed off little dictator there on the northern end of the korean peninsula happens to be armed with nukes ?

      then again yer probably one-0-those “BRING ‘EM ON, LET’S GIT’ER DONE”, end-0-times type of ,ummm, scholars ?

    • NorCon

      Rudimentary nuclear technology, not rocket ready for many years and china will not allow it to be a serious threat. Now lets talk about another mad bigger country with lots and lots of ICBMs.. oh yeah thats right it was Soviet that place that Reagan called “evil” and wanted to have regime-change?

      Trigtruthers like broomback trying to make sense? Priceless..

    • Anonymous

      hey barry,
      did you happen to know that the sawed off little dictator there on the northern end of the korean peninsula happens to be armed with nukes ?

      then again yer probably one-0-those “BRING ‘EM ON, LET’S GIT’ER DONE”, end-0-times type of ,ummm, scholars ?

    • Anonymous

      Not the topic of my post. The topic of my post was that she lacks any kind of knowledge of international affairs, diplomacy, or discretion. You don’t run around calling for invading neighboring countries when there is a very shaky detente in place. You know, nuance. I’m not sure that’s your forte.

    • Anonymous

      Not the topic of my post. The topic of my post was that she lacks any kind of knowledge of international affairs, diplomacy, or discretion. You don’t run around calling for invading neighboring countries when there is a very shaky detente in place. You know, nuance. I’m not sure that’s your forte.

    • Anonymous

      Not the topic of my post. The topic of my post was that she lacks any kind of knowledge of international affairs, diplomacy, or discretion. You don’t run around calling for invading neighboring countries when there is a very shaky detente in place. You know, nuance. I’m not sure that’s your forte.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NR5GXT34U3PNWDX5MZ7G5FBW4 Jack

      Sarah Palin didn’t call for invading neighboring countries.

      Sarah Palin said this:

      ” In North Korea, the first victims of the regime are the country’s people”, she said.
      “That is so inherently unfair and unjust that I look forward to this entire region being able to rebuild, South Korea being able to assist North Korea when that regime is finally ousted.”

      Anyway, she spoke as a private person , not as a government official.

      You know, nuance. I’m not sure that’s your forte.

      http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hi_ZAWbs0__N7GDby3RGRxUKfv1A?docId=CNG.f17fd4750d6bfedcc76487af91dbb134.5f1&index=0

    • NorCon

      Not the topic of my post. The topic of my post was that she Obama the candidate lacks any kind of knowledge of international affairs, diplomacy, or discretion.

      Fixed it for ya.

    • Anonymous

      You are an idiot. This is the third time she has been invited to speak at an international forum of world movers and shakers. The world’s most intellectual and politically powerful people value what she has to say. 

    • Anonymous

      obvious yer family ain’t bred outside the family for generations

    • Anonymous

      You are beyond stupid. My family is full of geniuses who have contributed to this world. What has your family produced fool?

      Still haven’t heard where you were called on to address an international forum yet. You lose.

    • Anonymous

      sweet genetics dude, yeah yer family does look like a bunch-0-einstein’s 

    • Anonymous

      sweet genetics dude, yeah yer family does look like a bunch-0-einstein’s 

    • Anonymous

      sweet genetics dude, yeah yer family does look like a bunch-0-einstein’s 

    • Anonymous

      yer family, eh

    • Anonymous

      yer family, eh

    • Anonymous

      Nah, that’s yours. Projection….

    • Anonymous

      Nah, that’s yours. Projection….

    • Anonymous

      Nah, that’s yours. Projection….

    • Anonymous

      Nah, that’s yours. Projection….

    • Anonymous

      Nah, that’s yours. Projection….

    • Anonymous

      yer job, no wonder yer soo eff’ed up

    • Anonymous

      yer job, no wonder yer soo eff’ed up

    • Anonymous

      yer job, no wonder yer soo eff’ed up

    • Anonymous

      damn, you’ve ruined it for me, now i’m laughin’ sooo hard at all our little bombs that we’ve been lobin’ back and forth at each other….

      yep, pretty funny

    • Anonymous

      Nah, that’s yours. Projection….

    • Anonymous

      Nah, that’s yours. Projection….

    • Anonymous

      Get pass yourself, you are both crude and rude.

    • Anonymous

      didn’t make it past fourth grade ?

    • Anonymous

      didn’t make it past fourth grade ?

    • Anonymous

      Look who’s talking, outstanding work.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you!

    • Anonymous

      Thank you!

    • Anonymous

      more pearls-0-wisdom, from the sea-0-pee

      hrh40 13 minutes ago

       in reply to Jaynie59

      That’s your issue then.NEVER.I repeatNEVERput all your hopes on one person.That person will ALWAYSI repeatALWAYSlet you down.

    • Anonymous

      You are an idiot. This is the third time she has been invited to speak at an international forum of world movers and shakers. The world’s most intellectual and politically powerful people value what she has to say. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NR5GXT34U3PNWDX5MZ7G5FBW4 Jack

      It seems that Sarah Palin’s speech was well received.
      Her Hong Kong speech and her India speech were also well received.

      AFP has more:

      ” Palin cited the Arab Spring as proof that new information technology
      was playing an “enormous role” in spreading cries for freedom.”Technology
      means individuals have been empowered in ways they have never been
      empowered before in our entire history,” she told the World Knowledge
      Forum hosted by Maeil Business Newspaper.
      “Technology has taken
      power away from central authorities and provided individuals with more
      choices. We are no longer living in a top-down world. Now we are living
      in a bottom-up world, from entertainment and information to education.”

      http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hi_ZAWbs0__N7GDby3RGRxUKfv1A?docId=CNG.f17fd4750d6bfedcc76487af91dbb134.5f1

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3NR5GXT34U3PNWDX5MZ7G5FBW4 Jack

      It seems that Sarah Palin’s speech was well received.
      Her Hong Kong speech and her India speech were also well received.

      AFP has more:

      ” Palin cited the Arab Spring as proof that new information technology
      was playing an “enormous role” in spreading cries for freedom.”Technology
      means individuals have been empowered in ways they have never been
      empowered before in our entire history,” she told the World Knowledge
      Forum hosted by Maeil Business Newspaper.
      “Technology has taken
      power away from central authorities and provided individuals with more
      choices. We are no longer living in a top-down world. Now we are living
      in a bottom-up world, from entertainment and information to education.”

      http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hi_ZAWbs0__N7GDby3RGRxUKfv1A?docId=CNG.f17fd4750d6bfedcc76487af91dbb134.5f1

    • guest

      Actually, Bloomberg didn’t offer a subjective opinion, one way or the other. I certainly hope they would be neutral – they sponsored the forum!
      http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-11/palin-says-growing-chinese-army-not-necessarily-good.html

    • Sarg

      Sagecreek, I think you should explain your feeling for keeping the status quo in North Korea with a ROK Marine….double dog dare ya.

    • Sarg

      Sagecreek, I think you should explain your feeling for keeping the status quo in North Korea with a ROK Marine….double dog dare ya.

    • Sarg

      Sagecreek, I think you should explain your feeling for keeping the status quo in North Korea with a ROK Marine….double dog dare ya.

    • Sarg

      Sagecreek, I think you should explain your feeling for keeping the status quo in North Korea with a ROK Marine….double dog dare ya.

  • wodiej

    Oh my, the haters are out.  Go put some garlic around your neck-maybe that will keep the good away from ya.  LOL

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, haters gotta come out for Palin posts!

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, haters gotta come out for Palin posts!

  • Anonymous

    Love you Sarah, way to wow the Koreans

    • Anonymous

      ?!?

  • Anonymous

    Gov. Sarah Palin is the most interesting, exciting, and attractive woman in modern U.S. history. She would be an energetic and effective President.

    • Anonymous

      Amen baby!

    • Anonymous

      skank hoe

    • Anonymous

      $he’s gobsmacked y’all down good, $tole yer money to boot, and now y’all are settin’ yerselves up to let her do it to ya again….amazing !

    • Anonymous

      $he’s gobsmacked y’all down good, $tole yer money to boot, and now y’all are settin’ yerselves up to let her do it to ya again….amazing !

    • Anonymous

      $he’s gobsmacked y’all down good, $tole yer money to boot, and now y’all are settin’ yerselves up to let her do it to ya again….amazing !

    • Anonymous

      $he’s gobsmacked y’all down good, $tole yer money to boot, and now y’all are settin’ yerselves up to let her do it to ya again….amazing !

  • Anonymous

    hey, when you ‘bot_’tards gonna “whack” this ‘bot_’tard ?
    it’s been 8 goin’ on nine minutes now since he posted,
    can’t have him postin’ this shit !!

    speppers69 8 minutes ago”There has been a lot of caterwauling by a number of her supporters since her decision was announced. The has to stop.”I…for one….am really getting tired of people telling others what they have to do.  THIS website keeps posting articles like this followed by “Draft Sarah” articles and why we should NOT just accept her decision and roll on to Candidate X.  All this does is keep dividing us.  WE CAN’T DO BOTH! C4P…..figure out what side you want to be on and go for it.  But please don’t continue to post one article saying “she’s spoken now sit down and shut up”…and another saying “stand up and don’t accept no for an answer”.  Someone that posts it’s time to move on gets called a troll and someone that posts how they want Sarah to reconsider get called disrespectful of her decision.

    you morons are comedy gold watchin’ you take your inbred selves out

    • Anonymous

      You suck! Get out of your mom’s basement dude!

    • Anonymous

      can’t, it’s too much fun watchin’ you cousin humpers givin’ each other reach arounds

    • Anonymous

      can’t, it’s too much fun watchin’ you cousin humpers givin’ each other reach arounds

    • Anonymous

      How’s that dank mold in your mom’s basement troll? You still suck a$$. Lol!

    • Anonymous

      How’s that dank mold in your mom’s basement troll? You still suck a$$. Lol!

    • Anonymous

      How’s that dank mold in your mom’s basement troll? You still suck a$$. Lol!

    • Anonymous

      How’s that dank mold in your mom’s basement troll? You still suck a$$. Lol!

    • Anonymous

      You suck! Get out of your mom’s basement dude!

  • Anonymous

    Funny how when I post a Palin thread, all the Obama lovin’ trolls come out. How’s that high unemployment rate working out for y’all? Stop sponging off your parents and get a real job.

  • Anonymous

    As for coomback, he can’t quit her. It’s so pathetic – he has to keep repeating his racist, misogynist BS. 

    • Anonymous

      waterass

    • Anonymous

      waterass

    • Anonymous

      racist ?!?

  • Anonymous

    coomback you idiot – I can delete your stupid a$$ posts so F off for now. You have beclowned yourself loser!

  • Anonymous

    coomback you idiot – I can delete your stupid a$$ posts so F off for now. You have beclowned yourself loser!

    • Anonymous

      touch a nerve ?
      have at it waterass, you bore me

      another of yer family group shots?

    • Anonymous

      touch a nerve ?
      have at it waterass, you bore me

      another of yer family group shots?

    • Anonymous

      touch a nerve ?
      have at it waterass, you bore me

      another of yer family group shots?

    • Anonymous

      touch a nerve ?
      have at it waterass, you bore me

      another of yer family group shots?

    • Anonymous

      waterass

    • Anonymous

      Well, well the thread idiot is back. Go figure. I don’t mind your insults cuz I consider the source. Didn’t delete your latest nonsense comment btw.

      Watch out for rat droppings in your basement.

    • Anonymous

      did you know you’re a punk pussy

    • Anonymous

      Your latest jacka$$ post just got deleted. You lose again. I will delete all your racist, misogynist posts.

    • Anonymous

      Your latest jacka$$ post just got deleted. You lose again. I will delete all your racist, misogynist posts.

    • Anonymous

      watera$$

    • Anonymous

      watera$$

  • Anonymous

    coomback you idiot – I can delete your stupid a$$ posts so F off for now. You have beclowned yourself loser!

  • Anonymous

    coomback you idiot – I can delete your stupid a$$ posts so F off for now. You have beclowned yourself loser!

  • Anonymous

    Who’s the asshole “Coomback” that gets its jollys spamming this thread?

  • Anonymous

    Who’s the asshole “Coomback” that gets its jollys spamming this thread?

    • Anonymous

      LoL!

    • Anonymous

      LMAO !!!

    • Anonymous

      LMAO !!!

  • Anonymous

    Who’s the asshole “Coomback” that gets its jollys spamming this thread?

  • Anonymous

    LOL !

    We all seem to be in agreement that we have to take the candidacy of Herman Cain seriously, at least for the next month or so. That’s fine. Everybody needs a hobby, and there’s certainly more amusement to be had in the extended numerological sloganeering that Cain has thrown into the middle of the Republican nominating campaign. God knows it’s more fun that listening to Rick Santorum talking about The Family again. And Cain has risen (RAISING CAIN — the man is a tabloid headline writer’s dream) far enough in the various national polls that we’re all going to agree to treat him like he’s actually a potential president.Let’s take a look at what Herman Cain hath wrought over the last month. His rise in the public eye owes most of its fundamental dynamic to two people: Anna Kournikova and Sarah Palin.Perhaps we should explain.(Perhaps you should.)Anna Kournikova invented an entire genus of modern celebrity athlete. She became a famous tennis player despite being thoroughly mediocre at playing championship tennis. She became a famous tennis player because she showed up in front of a lot of cameras, often wearing very little. She dated up. She attended premieres. She was a famous celebrity athlete because she was a famous celebrity. Her athletic ability was quite limited relative to her fame. Other people had managed to do this in limited ways. Kournikova exploded into a new media environment that made her into a media supernova. Talent doesn’t matter. The volume of the buzz is the ultimate metric for success. Creating and maintaining your celebrity brand is the full-time job.Which brings us to Sarah Palin.She invented an entire genus of modern celebrity politician. She became a famous politician despite being thoroughly mediocre at either being elected to public office, or at performing the duties of the offices to which she was actually elected. She has spent a year being a celebrity politician, coyly flirting with running for president in a country where her approval ratings are somewhere north of that enjoyed by cholera and the mange. She was a famous celebrity politician because she was a famous celebrity. Her political talents — indeed, her entire intellect — remain quite limited relative to her fame. Talent doesn’t matter. The buzz around her has remained loud. She has created and maintained her celebrity with a single-minded focus that she never brought to the job of being governor of Alaska.And Herman Cain is the first successful post-Palin politician.He is manifestly smarter than she is, and he is infinitely more disciplined as a candidate. Say what you will about the merits of his 9-9-9 Plan, and all there is to say about it is that it is suicidally harebrained, Cain stuck to it like a bulldog on Tuesday night. (If Rick Perry had that kind of stubborn streak, he’d be up by 20 points by now.) Except in her ungainly diving at every nickel that rolls across her path, Sarah Palin never has demonstrated that kind of monomaniacal tenacity that Cain manages without breaking a sweat. At the same time, he is running a “campaign” not entirely dissimilar to the various grifting scams that Palin has visited upon the nation. Except, of course, that Cain actually has declared a candidacy and is out there actually appearing to run for president. He is out there selling himself as a political celebrity no less than Palin does. She created the mold. Herman Cain is what it produced.There is about his current surge an ineffable sense that it has surprised Cain as much as it has surprised the nation. (Did you know that he ran for president for about 20 minutes back in 2000? I didn’t, until today.) He was content to sell his book and audition for the inevitable Talking Straight with Herman Cain, up next on the Fox News Channel. Now, he’s got a lead in the polls. Actual economists are looking at his signature economic plan and holding their heads while reaching for the bourbon. He’s an “upper tier” candidate in a field that otherwise seems to have nothing but Mitt Romney and a root cellar. Yet, he still seems more interested in selling his book, and appearing on television. His political talents remain quite limited relative to his fame. The buzz around him is rising, and he is jealously guarding a suddenly popular political brand. Is he a candidate yet, in the fullest sense of the word? What? You think that matters?

  • Anonymous

    LOL !

    We all seem to be in agreement that we have to take the candidacy of Herman Cain seriously, at least for the next month or so. That’s fine. Everybody needs a hobby, and there’s certainly more amusement to be had in the extended numerological sloganeering that Cain has thrown into the middle of the Republican nominating campaign. God knows it’s more fun that listening to Rick Santorum talking about The Family again. And Cain has risen (RAISING CAIN — the man is a tabloid headline writer’s dream) far enough in the various national polls that we’re all going to agree to treat him like he’s actually a potential president.Let’s take a look at what Herman Cain hath wrought over the last month. His rise in the public eye owes most of its fundamental dynamic to two people: Anna Kournikova and Sarah Palin.Perhaps we should explain.(Perhaps you should.)Anna Kournikova invented an entire genus of modern celebrity athlete. She became a famous tennis player despite being thoroughly mediocre at playing championship tennis. She became a famous tennis player because she showed up in front of a lot of cameras, often wearing very little. She dated up. She attended premieres. She was a famous celebrity athlete because she was a famous celebrity. Her athletic ability was quite limited relative to her fame. Other people had managed to do this in limited ways. Kournikova exploded into a new media environment that made her into a media supernova. Talent doesn’t matter. The volume of the buzz is the ultimate metric for success. Creating and maintaining your celebrity brand is the full-time job.Which brings us to Sarah Palin.She invented an entire genus of modern celebrity politician. She became a famous politician despite being thoroughly mediocre at either being elected to public office, or at performing the duties of the offices to which she was actually elected. She has spent a year being a celebrity politician, coyly flirting with running for president in a country where her approval ratings are somewhere north of that enjoyed by cholera and the mange. She was a famous celebrity politician because she was a famous celebrity. Her political talents — indeed, her entire intellect — remain quite limited relative to her fame. Talent doesn’t matter. The buzz around her has remained loud. She has created and maintained her celebrity with a single-minded focus that she never brought to the job of being governor of Alaska.And Herman Cain is the first successful post-Palin politician.He is manifestly smarter than she is, and he is infinitely more disciplined as a candidate. Say what you will about the merits of his 9-9-9 Plan, and all there is to say about it is that it is suicidally harebrained, Cain stuck to it like a bulldog on Tuesday night. (If Rick Perry had that kind of stubborn streak, he’d be up by 20 points by now.) Except in her ungainly diving at every nickel that rolls across her path, Sarah Palin never has demonstrated that kind of monomaniacal tenacity that Cain manages without breaking a sweat. At the same time, he is running a “campaign” not entirely dissimilar to the various grifting scams that Palin has visited upon the nation. Except, of course, that Cain actually has declared a candidacy and is out there actually appearing to run for president. He is out there selling himself as a political celebrity no less than Palin does. She created the mold. Herman Cain is what it produced.There is about his current surge an ineffable sense that it has surprised Cain as much as it has surprised the nation. (Did you know that he ran for president for about 20 minutes back in 2000? I didn’t, until today.) He was content to sell his book and audition for the inevitable Talking Straight with Herman Cain, up next on the Fox News Channel. Now, he’s got a lead in the polls. Actual economists are looking at his signature economic plan and holding their heads while reaching for the bourbon. He’s an “upper tier” candidate in a field that otherwise seems to have nothing but Mitt Romney and a root cellar. Yet, he still seems more interested in selling his book, and appearing on television. His political talents remain quite limited relative to his fame. The buzz around him is rising, and he is jealously guarding a suddenly popular political brand. Is he a candidate yet, in the fullest sense of the word? What? You think that matters?

  • Anonymous

    LOL !

    We all seem to be in agreement that we have to take the candidacy of Herman Cain seriously, at least for the next month or so. That’s fine. Everybody needs a hobby, and there’s certainly more amusement to be had in the extended numerological sloganeering that Cain has thrown into the middle of the Republican nominating campaign. God knows it’s more fun that listening to Rick Santorum talking about The Family again. And Cain has risen (RAISING CAIN — the man is a tabloid headline writer’s dream) far enough in the various national polls that we’re all going to agree to treat him like he’s actually a potential president.Let’s take a look at what Herman Cain hath wrought over the last month. His rise in the public eye owes most of its fundamental dynamic to two people: Anna Kournikova and Sarah Palin.Perhaps we should explain.(Perhaps you should.)Anna Kournikova invented an entire genus of modern celebrity athlete. She became a famous tennis player despite being thoroughly mediocre at playing championship tennis. She became a famous tennis player because she showed up in front of a lot of cameras, often wearing very little. She dated up. She attended premieres. She was a famous celebrity athlete because she was a famous celebrity. Her athletic ability was quite limited relative to her fame. Other people had managed to do this in limited ways. Kournikova exploded into a new media environment that made her into a media supernova. Talent doesn’t matter. The volume of the buzz is the ultimate metric for success. Creating and maintaining your celebrity brand is the full-time job.Which brings us to Sarah Palin.She invented an entire genus of modern celebrity politician. She became a famous politician despite being thoroughly mediocre at either being elected to public office, or at performing the duties of the offices to which she was actually elected. She has spent a year being a celebrity politician, coyly flirting with running for president in a country where her approval ratings are somewhere north of that enjoyed by cholera and the mange. She was a famous celebrity politician because she was a famous celebrity. Her political talents — indeed, her entire intellect — remain quite limited relative to her fame. Talent doesn’t matter. The buzz around her has remained loud. She has created and maintained her celebrity with a single-minded focus that she never brought to the job of being governor of Alaska.And Herman Cain is the first successful post-Palin politician.He is manifestly smarter than she is, and he is infinitely more disciplined as a candidate. Say what you will about the merits of his 9-9-9 Plan, and all there is to say about it is that it is suicidally harebrained, Cain stuck to it like a bulldog on Tuesday night. (If Rick Perry had that kind of stubborn streak, he’d be up by 20 points by now.) Except in her ungainly diving at every nickel that rolls across her path, Sarah Palin never has demonstrated that kind of monomaniacal tenacity that Cain manages without breaking a sweat. At the same time, he is running a “campaign” not entirely dissimilar to the various grifting scams that Palin has visited upon the nation. Except, of course, that Cain actually has declared a candidacy and is out there actually appearing to run for president. He is out there selling himself as a political celebrity no less than Palin does. She created the mold. Herman Cain is what it produced.There is about his current surge an ineffable sense that it has surprised Cain as much as it has surprised the nation. (Did you know that he ran for president for about 20 minutes back in 2000? I didn’t, until today.) He was content to sell his book and audition for the inevitable Talking Straight with Herman Cain, up next on the Fox News Channel. Now, he’s got a lead in the polls. Actual economists are looking at his signature economic plan and holding their heads while reaching for the bourbon. He’s an “upper tier” candidate in a field that otherwise seems to have nothing but Mitt Romney and a root cellar. Yet, he still seems more interested in selling his book, and appearing on television. His political talents remain quite limited relative to his fame. The buzz around him is rising, and he is jealously guarding a suddenly popular political brand. Is he a candidate yet, in the fullest sense of the word? What? You think that matters?