Israel Refuses To Tell Obama Its Iran intentions

November 13th, 2011 (24) Posted By Pat Dollard.

The Telegraph:

Israel has refused to reassure President Barack Obama that it would warn him in advance of any pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear capabilities, raising fears that it may be planning a go-it-alone attack as early as next summer.

The US leader was rebuffed last month when he demanded private guarantees that no strike would go ahead without White House notification, suggesting Israel no longer plans to “seek Washington’s permission”, sources said. The disclosure, made by insiders briefed on a top-secret meeting between America’s most senior defence chief and Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s hawkish prime minister, comes amid concerns that Iran’s continuing progress towards nuclear weapons capability means the Jewish state has all but lost hope for a diplomatic solution.

On Tuesday, UN weapons inspectors released their most damning report to date into Iran’s nuclear activities, saying for the first time that the Islamic republic appeared to be building a nuclear weapon. It was with that grave possiblity in mind that Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, flew into Israel last month on what was ostensibly a routine trip.

Officially, his brief was restricted to the Middle East peace process, but the most important part of his mission was a private meeting with Mr Netanyahu and the defence minister, Ehud Barak. Once all but a handful of trusted staff had left the room, Mr Panetta conveyed an urgent message from Barack Obama. The president, Mr Panetta said, wanted an unshakable guarantee that Israel would not carry out a unilateral military strike against Iran’s nuclear installations without first seeking Washington’s clearance.

The two Israelis were notably evasive in their response, according to sources both in Israel and the United States.

“They did not suggest that military action was being planned or was imminent, but neither did they give any assurances that Israel would first seek Washington’s permission, or even inform the White House in advance that a mission was underway,” one said.

Alarmed by Mr Netanyahu’s noncommittal response, Mr Obama reportedly ordered the US intelligence services to step up monitoring of Israel to glean clues of its intentions.

What those intentions might be remains distinctly murky. Over the past fortnight, Israel’s press has given every impression that the country is on a war footing, with numerous claims that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Barak are lobbying the cabinet to support the military option.

Two weeks ago Israel tested a long-range ballistic missile capable of reaching Iran, its first since 2008. Shortly before, the Israeli airforce took part in Nato exercises in Sardinia that involved air-to-air refuelling, a key component of an aerial strike on Iran. A separate exercise in and around Tel Aviv tested civilian readiness in the event of a missile strike against the city. In a sign of the febrility of the public mood, many beach-goers apparently mistook the air raid sirens for a genuine Iranian attack and fled in panic for their cars. There were similar jitters in Iran yesterday, when a huge but apparently accidental explosion at arms dump outside Tehran killed at least 27 soldiers and shook the city.

Speculation about an imminent Israeli military action has been a regular occurrence over the years, but rarely as fevered as now. Last week, a British official even suggested that an attack could come before Christmas.

Few in Israel believe that is likely and the difficulty of mounting an operation over winter, when cloud cover hampers aircraft targeting systems, means that if military action is being considered it will not come before the spring or summer of next year.

Many observers also believe that the bellicose rhetoric voiced by a number of senior Israeli figures in recent days is largely bluff, designed to goad the international community into imposing sanctions of such severity that Iran would be forced into economic ruin if it persisted with its nuclear ambitions. Israel says that if Iran’s central bank were sanctioned and a ban on Iranian oil exports enforced by an international naval blockade, military action would not be necessary.

Mr Barak has already publicly stated that he does not believe the West can overcome Russian and Chinese opposition to the sanctions Israel wants, leaving military action increasingly as the only alternative.

Mr Netanyahu may have another reason to bluff. In recent months, Meir Dagan, who retired as director of Mossad at the beginning of the year, has made a series of unprecedented speeches countenancing against Israeli military action – describing it as “the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard”.

His comments have infuriated the Israeli establishment – senior officials have said they would like to see him behind bars – because they fear it could convince Iran’s Mullahs that Israel’s sporadic talk of war is a fiction.

Hints by Mr Netanyahu that he is considering the military option may be designed to resurrect Iran’s paranoia of Israel, something seen in the Jewish state as a powerful deterrent, says Yossi Melman, a leading intelligence analyst and journalist.

“Meir Dagan made a laughing stock of military action,” Mr Melman said. “Netanyahu believes he damaged the deterrent and he wants to repair it.”

Yet the fact that Mr Dagan chose to speak out – extraordinary in itself for a just-retired Mossad chief – suggests that he believes Mr Netanyahu is intent on attacking Iran.

Tellingly, until last year, Israel’s four most powerful military and security chiefs, including Mr Dagan, were all strongly opposed to military action. All four have now been replaced by younger men who may be less able to stand up to Mr Netanyahu, not that Israeli prime ministers are necessarily bound to heed objections from their top military advisers anyway. In 1981, Menachem Begin did just that when he bombed Iraq’s nuclear reactor at Osirak.

If Israel is to attack Iran, many in the country believe time is running out. Last week’s report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) highlighted Iran’s apparent determination to build a nuclear warhead, but did not indicate how long it might take.

Some in Israel, however, believe it is very close.

“It is my personal opinion that, if the Iranian regime decides to do so, it can produce a nuclear explosive device within a year, plus or minus a few months,” said Ephraim Asculai, a former IAEA official and leading Israeli expert on Iran’s nuclear programme.

Not everyone agrees. Some argue that a covert espionage operation has caused such delays that Iran still needs another three years to build a bomb. Sabotage efforts by Israeli, American and British intelligence have successfully slowed Iranian progress, most notably via the Stuxnet computer virus that caused the centrifuges at Iran’s Natanz uranium enrichment plant to explode. Mossad agents on motorbikes are also believed to have planted magnetic explosives on the cars of at least two key Iranian nuclear scientists as they weaved through Tehran’s traffic jams. Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, the scientist and Revolutionary Guards officer who is thought to be the ultimate mastermind of the nuclear programme, is now believed to be under round-the-clock protection as a result. But, whatever the time frame, some in Israel believe there is additional cause for urgency that could prompt military action sooner rather than later.

According to western intelligence assessments, Tehran is preparing to move the bulk of its nuclear production to a plant beneath a mountain near the holy city of Qom that would be far harder to hit from the air.

According to Ronen Bergman, senior military analyst for Israel’s Yediot Ahronot newspaper and the author of a forthcoming book on Mossad, that makes a strike necessary well before Iran actually perfects its programme.

“Today Israeli intelligence talks of what is known as the ‘framework of immunity’,” he said. “In other words, it is not the point at which Iran acquires a nuclear device, but the point at which the project has reached such an advanced stage that a strike any time after would be ineffective.”

An Israeli attack could probably manage at most a dozen targets, using more than 100 F-15 and F-16 aircraft.

Three German-designed Dolphin submarines equipped with conventional cruise missiles could also be ordered into the Persian Gulf to take part, although it is thought that Israel’s Jericho-3 ballistic missiles are to inaccurate to play a role.

But how effective the mission would be is another matter. At best, Israel can hope to delay Iran from building a bomb by two to four years, experts assess. Optimists hope that within such a period, Iran’s Islamist regime could collapse and give may to a more moderate government. But it could equally redouble its nuclear efforts, this time arguing that it now had every right to produce a weapon.

As Mr Panetta warned during a Pentagon briefing last Thursday, such a strike would also have a “serious impact” on the region. Iran could blockade the Straits of Hormuz, through which 25 per cent of the world’s oil exports are shipped, sending energy prices soaring. US military assets in the Gulf could come also come under attack from Iranian Scud missiles.

Iran would almost certainly fire its Shahab ballistic missiles at Israeli cities and press Hizbollah and Hamas, the militant Islamist groups it funds and equips, to unleash their huge rocket arsenals from their bases in Lebanon and Gaza.

Despite this, last week Mr Barak – making a rare venture in such sensitive territory – predicted that fewer than 500 fatalities would arise “if people stayed at home”.

Such are both the political and military risks involved that many Israelis say it is inconceivable that Mr Netanyahu would go to war without the United States alongside him.

“I think personally that if such action is taken, there will be come kind of consultation with the United States,” said Ilan Mizrahi, Mossad’s former deputy director and Israel’s national security adviser until 2007.

“If Iran breaks all the rules, then military action will be needed, but definitely not alone by a tiny country like Israel,” added Uzi Eilam, a retired general who held senior positions at the Israeli defence ministry.

But not everyone is so sure. Mr Obama’s willingness to take on Iran militarily is openly questioned in Israel. And while many Israelis do not believe Iran has any intention of actually firing a nuclear missile at them, the the key question is whether their prime minister is one of them.

In Mr Netanyahu’s eyes, Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is another “Hitler” whose aim is to complete what the Holocaust failed to do by wiping out the Jewish race.

“People outside Israel don’t understand how profound memories of the Holocaust are, and how they affect future policy making,” said Mr Bergman, the military analyst. “At the end of the day, this policy of ‘never again’ would dictate Israel’s behaviour when intelligence comes through that Iran has come close to a bomb.”

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  • Anonymous

    I think Israel is about to acquire all of their Promised lands as per the bible. I’ve been watching this build up for a long time and all of the players are in the right places now.

    And oh don’t forget to wave bye bye to Damascus :-)

    • The Shadow

      I say Israel is in a much weaker position than even 5 years ago. What is the domestic policies of Israel? We hear very very little about the internal doings of Israel. Is this on purpose?

       What is the form of government there? I assume it is like the USA. Executive, Judicial, Legislative. Why the lack of documentaries about Israel?

    • moriah

      Complicated: http://www.knesset.gov.il/description/eng/eng_mimshal_beh.htm

      It was created by Socialists. The word kibbutz means”commune” Israel also has socialized medicine. A lot of the socialism has been watered down over time, though.

    • The Shadow

      Thanks for the help

    • moriah

      You are absolutely right.  And you know there is a line being drawn in the sand so-to-speak and we ALL need to be on the right side, if you know what I mean.

  • The Shadow

    Look at who they buy their submarines from.  Look for a Nationalist coalition in the next twenty years between Germany Russia Ukraine and Eastern Europe. France and Italy are fucked. The Swiss will stay neutral. The Polacks will have no other choice but to get on board.

    The whole Western part of Poland is old Prussian land anyway that belongs to Germany. The same argument Israel offers for having all of Palestine is the very same argument the Germans can play forward about Eastern Poland. This of course triggered a World War for some odd reason England and France just had to make sure there was a “Poland”.

    As far as Israel attacking Iran. I assume they feel they can win without US help. Can they? I mean without resorting to nukes. We shall see

    • moriah

      Israel will win without the US.

      As a matter of fact, America is part of Rome = the last power to destroy the second temple in 70 CE and to exile the Jews from Israel.  Remember the statue in the Book of Daniel? The iron and clay feet of the statue – the last  power to oppress Israel (all of Europe AND America) will come against Israel after defeating Ismael (all of the Muslim world including Iran) Look at ancient map of Rome and you will see who will be going up against the nation of Israel. (Zechariah 14, Ezekiel 38) Edom (represented by Rome – the West/Europe (America and NATO) will go to war with Ismael (the Muslim world) and win. The winners will go against Israel in an attempt to make her heel and to take Jerusalem. Israel at that time will realize there is no-one in the world who is a friend and will turn to G-d who is waiting to take up the cause of Israel. This is going to be a terrible and frightening time. One third of the worlds population will be destroyed and the land masses will be completely changed due to the Absolute Power of the “natural” disasters. One third of Israel will be destroyed. 

      Remember Genesis 12:3.G-d said to Abraham, “I will bless those who bless you and those who curse you will be cursed”  What happened to ancient Babylon, Greece and Persia? They have disappeared into the dust bin of history.

    • The Shadow

      Interesting. I must confess to a lack of knowledge on biblical versus. My church seemed mostly to deal with the Gospels. New Testament.

    • moriah

      I suggest you start reading what you call the “old testament.” Why don’t you educate yourself? There is a vast, vast amount of knowledge you can benefit from in the Torah – the real name of the old testament. The prophets are in there and they describe what is happening now in the world today. Reading the prophets – Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Ezekial is like reading the news. ALL the players are in it. G-d repeats over and over again of the unbreakable covenant with the Jewish people. If you are a believer it is to your benefit to read what the Boreh Olam has to say  – what the Creator of the Universe has to say. Not what some Greek or Roman Jew hater said because the Jews refuse to convert to an alien religion or god.

    • motivator

      Well I guess from your rationale Poland should be given all the lands east of it that were originally Polish in the 1700s and Mexicans have claim to lands in the US, and as a matter of fact, probably 80% of the world probably has claim to someone else’s lands that have exchanged hands over the last several hundred years.  I honestly don’t think it’s about borders, if it was then the countries over there wouldn’t have sided with Hitler during WWII.  I think it’s more about hating them because they are Jewish.

    • The Shadow

      My point was Poland was created after WW1. The land was taken away from Germany at Versailles. The Germans defeated the Russian on the battlefield. They rightfully should have been allowed to keep the territory won on the Eastern Front.

      Versailles is universally recognized as a total disaster of a treaty. The Germans fought with honor and laid down there arms on promises made by Wilson.

      They were completed double crossed at the negotiating table. The English and French are two faced liars when it comes to negotiating.

      That is a major reason why Hitler and his people fought right to the bitter end. They were already double crossed once. As far as hating Jews. Well the Russians Germans and many other nations found the Polish Jews very obnoxious, greedy and arrogant. These Jews are considered lower level Jews even in Israel. They are not descended of Moses shall we say.  They are Ashkenazi Eastern 

    • moriah

      Jews were exiled from Israel in 70 CE. They were dispersed to the four corners of the world. G-d gave the land to Jews no matter where they ended up  – and ultimately returned from. People like you are fools. You repeat the Arab and all Jew hating canard that “Ashkenazi Jews are not Jews. They merely mushroomed up out of the ground. Just like the Irish in America who fled the persecution and famine by the English. They aren’t really Irish – they’re hothouse Irish who are masquerading for the real thing.  G-d stated in the book of Genesis that He created the world and because the world is His He can give it to anyone He wanted to. He gave Israel to the Jews as a ETERNAL COVENANT. It is written all over the Torah – the holy book given to Jews by the Creator of the Universe. You are a little mentally cramped nobody shall we say.

    • moriah

      If I could I’d slap you through the computer. How dare you repeat the lie, the incitement of the “obnoxious, greedy and arrogant, LOWER LEVEL Jew.” You my friend are an anti- Semite and you probably never even met a Jew….Go to hell…

    • The Shadow

      I didn’t say I thought that. The post says the Germans and Russians thought that. Big difference. 

      I honestly thought there was a hierarchy in the Jewish community. Use this as a chance to educate me.

    • moriah

      “These Jews are considered lower level Jews even in Israel. They are not
      descended of Moses shall we say.  They are Ashkenazi Eastern…”

      I don’t know, “shall we say” sounds first person to me.

      Of course there are all types of Jews but the generalization of Ashkenazim is no more appropriate then saying all the people from your area are low lifes.

    • The Shadow

      I didn’t say I thought that. The post says the Germans and Russians thought that. Big difference. 

      I honestly thought there was a hierarchy in the Jewish community. Use this as a chance to educate me.

  • Storm0311

    People share info with their ally’s        Obama has told the world he is not Israels ally.  Who should be surprised by this??   Obama is Israels biggest impediment to keeping themselves safe.

  • Bbiz

    I would not telegraph where my grandmother is to that Communist jackass in the White House.  And she’s dead.  God knows what that traitor would do.  Of course, being dead, she does not have to worry about getting killed before the elections. 

  • ATTILA

    Quisling obammer would rat them out to iran in a new york minute.

  • Anonymous

    Neither confirm or deny.

    After barry’s open mic comments why should Bibi tell him a damn thing?
    We all know what side barry is on.

  • bentwanderer

    I’d say the Israeli Prime Minister has figured out like the Americans that the impostor and chief of the U.S. has stronger loyalties with his Muslim heritage than his American or Christian..

    • Bobby E.

      The usurper, occupier has no American ‘heritage’.

  • Bruce108

    well, telling barry is the same as telling i’manutjob.

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