COMING SOON: AMERICANS IN GITMO

December 15th, 2011 (23) Posted By Pat Dollard.

The Guardian:

Defence funding bill allows American citizens to be arrested as terrorists on home soil and held indefinitely without trial

Barack Obama has abandoned a commitment to veto a new security law that allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay.

Human rights groups accused the president of deserting his principles and disregarding the long-established principle that the military is not used in domestic policing. The legislation has also been strongly criticised by libertarians on the right angered at the stripping of individual rights for the duration of “a war that appears to have no end”.

The law, contained in the defence authorisation bill that funds the US military, effectively extends the battlefield in the “war on terror” to the US and applies the established principle that combatants in any war are subject to military detention.

The legislation’s supporters in Congress say it simply codifies existing practice, such as the indefinite detention of alleged terrorists at Guantánamo Bay. But the law’s critics describe it as a draconian piece of legislation that extends the reach of detention without trial to include US citizens arrested in their own country.

“It’s something so radical that it would have been considered crazy had it been pushed by the Bush administration,” said Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch. “It establishes precisely the kind of system that the United States has consistently urged other countries not to adopt. At a time when the United States is urging Egypt, for example, to scrap its emergency law and military courts, this is not consistent.”

There was heated debate in both houses of Congress on the legislation, requiring that suspects with links to Islamist foreign terrorist organisations arrested in the US, who were previously held by the FBI or other civilian law enforcement agencies, now be handed to the military and held indefinitely without trial.

The law applies to anyone “who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaida, the Taliban or associated forces”.

Senator Lindsey Graham said the extraordinary measures were necessary because terrorism suspects were wholly different to regular criminals.

“We’re facing an enemy, not a common criminal organisation, who will do anything and everything possible to destroy our way of life,” he said. “When you join al-Qaida you haven’t joined the mafia, you haven’t joined a gang. You’ve joined people who are bent on our destruction and who are a military threat.”

Other senators supported the new powers on the grounds that al-Qaida was fighting a war inside the US and that its followers should be treated as combatants, not civilians with constitutional protections.

But another conservative senator, Rand Paul, a strong libertarian, has said “detaining citizens without a court trial is not American” and that if the law passes “the terrorists have won”.

“We’re talking about American citizens who can be taken from the United States and sent to a camp at Guantánamo Bay and held indefinitely. It puts every single citizen American at risk,” he said. “Really, what security does this indefinite detention of Americans give us? The first and flawed premise, both here and in the badly named Patriot Act, is that our pre-9/11 police powers were insufficient to stop terrorism. This is simply not borne out by the facts.”

Paul was backed by Senator Dianne Feinstein.

“Congress is essentially authorising the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge,” she said. “We are not a nation that locks up its citizens without charge.”

Paul said there were already strong laws against support for terrorist groups. He noted that the definition of a terrorism suspect under existing legislation was so broad that millions of Americans could fall within it.

“There are laws on the books now that characterise who might be a terrorist: someone missing fingers on their hands is a suspect according to the department of justice. Someone who has guns, someone who has ammunition that is weatherproofed, someone who has more than seven days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist,” Paul said. “If you are suspected because of these activities, do you want the government to have the ability to send you to Guantánamo Bay for indefinite detention?”

Under the legislation suspects can be held without trial “until the end of hostilities”. They will have the right to appear once a year before a committee that will decide if the detention will continue.

The Senate is expected to give final approval to the bill before the end of the week. It will then go to the president, who previously said he would block the legislation not on moral grounds but because it would “cause confusion” in the intelligence community and encroached on his own powers.

But on Wednesday the White House said Obama had lifted the threat of a veto after changes to the law giving the president greater discretion to prevent individuals from being handed to the military.

Critics accused the president of caving in again to pressure from some Republicans on a counter-terrorism issue for fear of being painted in next year’s election campaign as weak and of failing to defend America.

Human Rights Watch said that by signing the bill Obama would go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in US law.

“The paradigm of the war on terror has advanced so far in people’s minds that this has to appear more normal than it actually is,” Malinowski said. “It wasn’t asked for by any of the agencies on the frontlines in the fight against terrorism in the United States. It breaks with over 200 years of tradition in America against using the military in domestic affairs.”

In fact, the heads of several security agencies, including the FBI, CIA, the director of national intelligence and the attorney general objected to the legislation. The Pentagon also said it was against the bill.

The FBI director, Robert Mueller, said he feared the law could compromise the bureau’s ability to investigate terrorism because it would be more complicated to win co-operation from suspects held by the military.

“The possibility looms that we will lose opportunities to obtain co-operation from the persons in the past that we’ve been fairly successful in gaining,” he told Congress.

Civil liberties groups say the FBI and federal courts have dealt with more than 400 alleged terrorism cases, including the successful prosecutions of Richard Reid, the “shoe bomber”, Umar Farouk, the “underwear bomber”, and Faisal Shahzad, the “Times Square bomber”.

Elements of the law are so legally confusing, as well as being constitutionally questionable, that any detentions are almost certain to be challenged all the way to the supreme court.

Malinowski said “vague language” was deliberately included in the bill in order to get it passed. “The very lack of clarity is itself a problem. If people are confused about what it means, if people disagree about what it means, that in and of itself makes it bad law,” he said.

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  • The Shadow

    The Gulags!! The NKVD arrested millions of native Russians(Tea Party Nationalist types) and threw them in the Gulags. That is what we have coming!

    Forget NS Germany. That was peanuts. They actually arrested the Obama types and his brain trust.

    This system of US Bolshevism is Santanic. Satanic thru and thru. Child molesters, thieves terrorists, rapists, arsonists, gangsters and murderers! 

  • The Shadow

    The Gulags!! The NKVD arrested millions of native Russians(Tea Party Nationalist types) and threw them in the Gulags. That is what we have coming!

    Forget NS Germany. That was peanuts. They actually arrested the Obama types and his brain trust.

    This system of US Bolshevism is Santanic. Satanic thru and thru. Child molesters, thieves terrorists, rapists, arsonists, gangsters and murderers! 

  • YERMOM

    having lived there for four years as a kid while my Dad was stationed there, the good news is that the weather is really nice all year long.

  • Lou

    Funny that they won’t mention what individuals or who helped write the bill…hmmmmm

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWZZ7UFZGAXVXXDXNYUN2OG7XI Matt

    … and Ron Paul is potrayed as a clown on this website even though he is one of the only voices in opposition to this.  Wonderful.

    • J. Delta

      First of all, you should quit posting comments like this because it makes you look like an idiot.

      Next, while the man’s domestic policy is great for the most part his foreign policy is more than enough to qualify him not only as a clown but as a clear and present danger to the nation’s safety. 

      Finally, I think all of us are getting sick and fucking tired of explaining this to people like you. Get the shit out of your ears or stay the hell off this site.

      Have a nice day.

    • Anonymous

      Uh, J. Delta, while i agree with your second sentence, as it relates to RON Paul; the Paul in the above story is RAND, son of RON….

    • J. Delta

      I’m aware of that.

    • Anonymous

      Sorry, my bad. There I was, ASSuming Matt would be commenting on the article in question…

    • Anonymous

      Uh, J. Delta, while i agree with your second sentence, as it relates to RON Paul; the Paul in the above story is RAND, son of RON….

    • J. Delta

      First of all, you should quit posting comments like this because it makes you look like an idiot.

      Next, while the man’s domestic policy is great for the most part his foreign policy is more than enough to qualify him not only as a clown but as a clear and present danger to the nation’s safety. 

      Finally, I think all of us are getting sick and fucking tired of explaining this to people like you. Get the shit out of your ears or stay the hell off this site.

      Have a nice day.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWZZ7UFZGAXVXXDXNYUN2OG7XI Matt

    … and Ron Paul is potrayed as a clown on this website even though he is one of the only voices in opposition to this.  Wonderful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWZZ7UFZGAXVXXDXNYUN2OG7XI Matt

    … and Ron Paul is potrayed as a clown on this website even though he is one of the only voices in opposition to this.  Wonderful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWZZ7UFZGAXVXXDXNYUN2OG7XI Matt

    … and Ron Paul is potrayed as a clown on this website even though he is one of the only voices in opposition to this.  Wonderful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWZZ7UFZGAXVXXDXNYUN2OG7XI Matt

    … and Ron Paul is potrayed as a clown on this website even though he is one of the only voices in opposition to this.  Wonderful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWZZ7UFZGAXVXXDXNYUN2OG7XI Matt

    … and Ron Paul is potrayed as a clown on this website even though he is one of the only voices in opposition to this.  Wonderful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPZXYCU6GM2A2JSG5S66SPYC3U TyS

    Gotta play devil’s advocate here – this interview and the associated references were based upon earlier, contradictory drafts of the bill. The latest bill clearly states that no American, on American soil, may be targeted. At most, it extends and clarifies rules of engagement that came up during the Awlaki pseudo-controversy.

    • ATTILA

      can you provide a link to those changes??

    • ATTILA

      It would appear that sen levin had a provision that would have exempted U.S. citizrns from this bill, but numbnuts insisted that it be removed so that he would have more power.
      Check at the 2.30 mark on this video.

       http://www.youtube.com/embed/jdVdjoPR3Vk 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPZXYCU6GM2A2JSG5S66SPYC3U TyS

      you are going to have to look up the bill on the government website – but I can assure you that this is all based on old data of a draft that had been spliced together from different people with contradictory statements. The latest bill, as it stands now, expressly declares that it does not apply to Americans on American soil.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPZXYCU6GM2A2JSG5S66SPYC3U TyS

      you are going to have to look up the bill on the government website – but I can assure you that this is all based on old data of a draft that had been spliced together from different people with contradictory statements. The latest bill, as it stands now, expressly declares that it does not apply to Americans on American soil.

  • Matt C.

    And do recall that about the time the Tea Party was rising up Big Sis Janet and the DHS sent a memo to all law enforcement to be on the lookout for Gadsden Flag bumper stickers and to monitor returning vets as potential domestic terrorists. Here’s the memo in case anyone forgets: http://www.news-leader.com/assets/pdf/DO131242323.PDF

    Also Obama signed this on the birthday of the signing of the Bill of Rights Dec. 11.

    Happy Police State Day everyone!

    • Matt C.

      Correction to previous – Bill of Rights was ratified
      December 15, 1791