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Marine Corps Lets Sergeant Run Anti-Obama Facebook Page



Mar 9, 2012 36 Comments ›› Pat Dollard


Marine Sgt. Gary Stein

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Marine Sgt. Gary Stein first started a Facebook page called Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots to encourage service members to exercise their free speech rights. Then he declared that he wouldn’t follow orders from the commander in chief, President Barack Obama.

While Stein softened his statement to say he wouldn’t follow “unlawful orders,” military observers say he may have gone too far.

The Marine Corps is now looking into whether he violated the military’s rules prohibiting political statements by those in uniform and broke its guidelines on what troops can and cannot say on social media. Stein said his views are constitutionally protected.

While troops have always expressed their views in private, Stein’s case highlights the potential for their opinions to go global as tech-savvy service members post personal details, videos and pictures that can hurt the military’s image at home and abroad.

“I think that it’s been pretty well established for a long time that freedom of speech is one area in which people do surrender some of their basic rights in entering the armed forces,” said former Navy officer David Glazier, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

“Good order and discipline require the military maintain respect for the chain of command,” Glazier said. “That includes prohibiting speech critical of the senior officers in that chain of command — up to and including the commander in chief.”

According to Pentagon directives, military personnel in uniform can’t sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement.

Commissioned officers also may not use contemptuous words against senior officials, including the defense secretary or the president.

In January, an Army reservist wearing camouflaged fatigues got into trouble for taking the stage during a rally in Iowa with Republican presidential candidate and Texas congressman Ron Paul.

Stein was first cautioned by his superiors at Camp Pendleton, north of San Diego, in 2010 after he launched his Facebook page, criticizing Obama’s health care overhaul. Stein volunteered to take down the page while he reviewed the rules at the request of his superiors.

He said he determined he was not in violation and relaunched the page under the shortened account name Armed Forces Tea Party. Last week, he said his superiors told him he couldn’t use social media sites on government computers after he posted the message stating he would not follow unlawful orders of the president.

Stein said his statement was part of an online debate about NATO allowing U.S. troops to be tried for the Quran burnings in Afghanistan.

In that context, he said, he was stating that he would not follow orders from the president if those orders included detaining U.S. citizens, disarming them or doing anything else that he believes would violate their constitutional rights.

Another Marine alerted his command about the statement, Stein said.

Stein said he respects the office of the president, but he does not agree with Obama’s policies. He said he is within his rights to speak up.

“Just because I’m a Marine doesn’t mean I don’t have free speech or can’t say my personal opinion about the president or other public official just like anybody else,” Stein said. “The Constitution trumps everything else.”

Stein said it’s positive when service members are well-versed on the Constitution and what’s going on in government.

“When we know what we’re fighting for, we fight harder,” he said.

The Marine Corps said Stein is allowed to express his personal opinions as long as they do not give the impression he is speaking in his official capacity as a Marine. Spokesman Maj. Michael Armistead said the Corps is taking a closer look to ensure Stein has not crossed that line.

“At this time, he has not been asked to take down the statement on his page,” he said.

Stein appears in a dress shirt and tie on his Facebook page but he also describes himself as “a conservative blogger, speaker, the founder of the Armed Forces Tea Party and active-duty, eight-year Marine Corps veteran.”

Marine Sgt. Jerret Wright, who liked Stein’s page, said Stein “probably skirted the line a little bit” with his latest message about not following Obama’s orders, but his boldness in expressing his views has been refreshing in a community that often feels silenced.

“People assume that we’re zombies with an on-and-off switch, and that we listen to orders and do nothing else,” Wright said.

Military observers say it’s not that simple. They say it is bad form to lash out at the commander in chief. Experts also say his Facebook postings appear to link his professional standing with his political views.

They also point out that the Pentagon policy is necessary in preventing political and religious debates that could divide a unit and disrupt the strong working relationship that is needed to carry out missions, Glazier said.

“There are plenty of examples in the world of militaries heavily involved in influencing political events that have shown that is not conducive to civilian rule of law,” he said.


  • Giorgi

    i have some friends, not in active duty though, that openly express their political views. never heard of them getting into some kind of trouble. especially with an “incident” involving Def Sec baisicaly posing himself as a party functionary without an allegiance.

  • claspur

    I don’t relinquish my rights to ‘speak freely’ under the the 1st amendment of the constitution of The United States of America.
    I took an oath to serve and protect this constitution, in 1976… that’s un-dying…for the rest of my life. (rather I like it or not)

    Always had a big problem with that while serving?
    How They’d say, you can’t talk this or that about what They didn’t want any service member to mention.
    (never broke-rules on national security… that’s another Egg)
    Never stopped me in spouting-off though, about what a fucking Wad Carter was, as I served under the  Ol’ Peanut Fart.

    Have got Zero respect for enemies and traitors to this country.

    Btw… how’s that Hasan case progressing-along these days, under our Usurper-in-Chief?  :o I

  • Just a Girl

     No, no…we wouldn’t want “political and religious debates that could divide a unit and disrupt the strong working relationship that is needed to carry out missions”…..but we DO want to integrate homosexuals into those units regardless of the feelings and sentiments of those strongly opposed to such integration.

    Oh, okay.

  • DC

    Again we see the left’s “double-standard”! Not a damn thing would come of Sgt. Stein invoking his 1st amendment rights if he was licking odumbo’s boots or praising him! He took an oath to defend his country against all enemies both foreign and domestic, but I guess the part where it says to obey the orders of the CIC trumps the “domestic enemy” part! That’s the paradox, you have to disobey one in order to follow the other! Which order do you follow?

  • Joeyabs1994

    I find this discussion so very interesting and personal. I was an active duty Marine stationed in Washington D.C. for the 2004 election and then in Iraq 2008. And as a opinionated Common Sense Constitutional Conservative who believes in Peace through Strength you can imagine how or which way I leaned in those two election cycles. But because I wore the uniform everyday and was a Platoon Sergeant I found myself tempering my opinions because of the before mentioned/discussed rules and regulations. It was a difficult and delicate tight rope to say the least.

    Now I’m not saying I didn’t have an opinion or didn’t express it loud and proud. But I did find myself prefacing my statements with sort of disclaimer like, “…I speak for myself and in no way am I representing The Marine Corps/Military…”.  And I never did it in uniform not unless I was having private conversations with other uniformed members. And at the time and to this day I caution military members posting to much information on the net. The concern for me was about how that personal information could be used against me, by our enemies, if captured on the battlefield. Now it appears the enemy and battle maybe different but just as dangerous. So I still caution my brothers and sisters to to take care of what they say.

    Now with all that I said I have to say I have two points to make if I may.

    Firstly, I agree the most important thing in the military is cohesion and break in good order/military discipline can become a cancer to the mission and cost lives. But to the good Sergeants point there has never been a more Anti-Constitutional borderline treasonous Commander and Chief than the one who currently occupies the Oval Office. So the question then in and lies which rule, regulation, law, article, section and or oath trumps the other? A conflict and struggle which puts our military, particularly this Marine, in no win conundrum.

    I too found myself struggling with this quagmire. Which is a big variable why after my commitment was completed I did not reenlist. I figured I could do more for America and her military becoming a citizen advocate/journalist (#IamAndrewBreitbart, #VetThePrez) than following unlawful orders handed down from Anti-American, Anti-Colonialist depots and radicals. I mean just look at our so called Sec Def testifying recently he would seek “approval” from “international communities” then “inform” congress before acting military. And if I had the uniform on then I may or could be constricted and conflicted on when, how or why I could say on that matter and or which orders to follow. Especially with big brother Holder and his media pit bulls always looking to attack Patriots who “question with boldness.”

    This leads me to my second point and question. Why is it when uniformed military members under Chairman ObaMao speak out are they immediately branded as dissidents by the lame stream media? Yet when liberal military dissidents, deserters and traitors, like Bradley Manning, speak out or give to secret sensitive information to our enemies they are given the Nobel Peace prize and revealed as heroes. This double standard and hypocrisy highlights my personal decision of separation. A hypocrisy which puts our brave men and women as I said in impossible sometimes critical life or death positions.
     
    So from one Marine to another all I can say is God Bless, Semper Fi and it is better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6. Now you have to decide is or are the peaceful personal first amendment opinions/facts that you are expressing more likely help, hurt or save those men charged in your care. And beware because the storm troopers in the media are going to attack you with everything they have in their arsenal. And per order of their Emperor and Chairman this is a seek and destroy mission. They will take no prisoners and destroy everything and everyone around you. As long you know that I say to you “ride hard, shoot straight and never lie.”

    Sergeant Abasciano
    USMC 02′-10′

    P.S.

    And to all of you media matter lemmings/zombies all of my “battle” or “shoot straight” references are proverbial not literal. Not that it matters because you liars and despots will cover up and spin to your dying breath wont you. So to you clueless communist, lemmings and liars I say kiss my Nancy Pelosi  because “I AM ANDREW BREITBART!”

  • wwtd

    More balls than those pussy’s sitting in the pentagon. Too much thinkin going on. The occupier of the wh is a shitbag. has been all his life. Always will be.
    The millitary’s tired of gettin shit on, having to keep their mouth shut, and need to vent….done.

  • Icorps1970

    The “CiC” cannot even prove he is an American citizen. In fact the evidence indicates he is NOT. So there is no reason to think that any order he would give can be lawful. They are all illegal orders.
    If he is holding office in violation of the Constitution then  he has no legal standing at all. There are far to many questions about Obama and too few factual answers. How, for example, does one obtain a SS number keyed to a state that the person has never been been to prior to getting the number?

  • YERMOM

    Wait so it’s ok to be Pro-taking it in the ass in the Marines, but not Pro-America?

  • ATTILA

    No red blooded American should   have anything more  to do with the military. It is being corrupted , and is no place to build a career.

  • ATTILA

    No young hero should plan on making our military a career, after the coruption that is now rampant.

  • http://twitter.com/DicksTrash Dick

    Talk shit about the boss, and your ass will get in a crack. And Obama’s his boss, like it or not.
    He’s a dumbass.

  • Montizzle

    I was honorably discharged in 2007. I really haven’t planned going back in under the current circumstances the military is in. The command, a lot of the asinine rules, the ROE and pregnant woman sympathizer physical training…ridiculous. And FAGS. Holy hell….where’s the sanity anymore….

    Its either law enforcement or working in the private sector for me now.

  • BALFC00

    I just chastized my brother, Master Sergeant Gunny Marine for his idiot wife (who doesn’t work thus doesn’t pay taxes and is a recipient of the military bene’s) posting a slanderish poster about Obama.  Listen, bottom line…..if you are on the government payroll (tax payers money), and especially in the military, have your opinions but keep them off the most popular media site in the world.  And maybe if you really really get fed up, maybe you’ll take the tax payers money (GI Bill) and get a God Damn education then run for office yourself.  It is after all the freedom you did fight for, RIGHT?!  And since you think you could do better, than prove it. OR SHUT UP!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/DicksTrash Dick

     Read my comment very carefully before spouting idiotic statements.

  • Slrubysgem1

    Ditto, Dick. You might not like the boss or what he says, but he’s the boss. Simple.

  • http://twitter.com/Winston80 Winston

    More power to him…

  • I am Andrew Breitbart

    How about all you dumb mother-fuckers who want to lick Odumbo’s boots and think he’s the boss right or wrong, exchange email addys and go start a “Homos For Hussein” fan club! That way you can all get together and suck each other’s dicks and pretent it’s your boss, odumbo!

  • hammer666

    Had to be the Marines. Maybe they will also raise issue with a commander-in-chief trashing the Constitution and actually demand the arrest of Obama as they put into effect the oath to defend and protect the Constitution of The United State. If anyone will, it would the Marine Corps. Marine Sgt. Gary Stein is in fact, perhaps the first true patriot in the coming struggle to regain America back from the current tyranny. We now have a face of the new patriots. It’s funny that they are often cited for not following rules (when engaging in political issues while in service) Yet, no one seems to worry about a president that defecates on our Constitution, where’s the issue with that generals? Where? Aren’t they rules and regulation pertaining to the protection and defense of the Constitution? By definition and opinion, Obama Hussein is an enemy of the state, where’s the conflict with that?

  • hammer666

    Well articulated. Wish I would have said it as you did.

  • Sarg Fury

     “The Constitution trumps everything else.” Well Said….

    “I _________ Do dolemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC…”

  • I Am Andrew Breitbart

    I’m not being critical Sarg, but isn’t this just the first part of the oath of allegence? How’s the rest of it go?

  • conniepitt

    First and foremost the President would never give Sergeant Whatshisface an order to do something.  So whatever orders he refuses would most likely be from a Staff Noncommissioned Officer and if he refuses those orders  then that Staff Noncommissioned Officer would charge him with disobeying a lawful order.   End of story.  This is what happens when people think they know it all.

  • YERMOM

    So just cause he’s the boss you would murder Americans if he said so? Or you would suck his cock if he said so?

  • LCPLDMT

    Yeah but if your boss is the Prez, and he’s violating the Constitution, you technically have to engage in this behavior, it’s your duty, similar to not following unlawful orders.  So it’s a little bit more complicated Dick, you fucking dick.  

  • http://twitter.com/DicksTrash Dick

     You’re an idiot. Kill yourself before you reproduce.

  • http://twitter.com/DicksTrash Dick

     It’s a political post asshole, and any time you feel the urge to talk shit to me in person, hook up on Twitter. We’ll have a chat.

  • Rennes11

     Defense directives trump the 1st amendment. If he doesn’t like it, he can leave the military. He had been ask to remove other posts and he complied. So in some ways he is still disobeying orders from his direct commander, not Obama.

  • ATTILA

    News flash connie,we’re taliking about UNLAWFUL ORDERS,and an unlawful order is an unlawful order no matter who gives it. As CIC, obumbler is in that chain of command,
    and all “orders” originate there.

  • ATTILA

    In other words, give up your freedom of speech, is that it asshole???

  • ATTILA

    A private boss yes, but anyone in the public sphere is fair game. One does not forfeit free speech in the public sphere.
    You are aptly named.

  • YERMOM

    so you are a dick-sucking American killer… real nice Dick

  • YERMOM

    oooh… Twatter war, real cool Dick

  • http://www.facebook.com/michaelkocherAK Michael A Kocher

    You need to stop spreading misinformation. He has repeatedly satisfied all requests for documentation of his citizenship and birth. The evidence absolutely does not indicate that he is “not an American citizen”.

    You are entitled to your political viewpoints and beliefs, but if you find it necessary to fabricate legal fictions in order to perpetuate those beliefs you might consider taking a long hard look at yourself and ask how it came to this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michaelkocherAK Michael A Kocher

     I do enjoy watching people consistently “forget” that second part.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michaelkocherAK Michael A Kocher

    I’d be more likely to respect this dude Stein, and his beliefs, if he didn’t keep finding ways to worm his way back into the media. Enlisted men do not give up their right to political expression, this is very true. You are allowed to criticize the President’s political decisions as much as you want.* But I find that it is almost easier to think of the President of the United States of America and the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America as two different billets held by the same man. You can question the President as much as you want, you can criticize the President as much as you want, and you can certainly express those beliefs to others, within reason.

    When you’re talking about the Commander in Chief, however, and this should be the case when you’re addressing anything the President does pertaining to the Armed Forces, then you are walking a whole different line. The Commander in Chief is your ultimate superior officer. Refusing to follow an order that you’re given by the CinC is no different than refusing to follow an order that you’ve been given by your Team Leader, Squad Leader, Platoon Sergeant, Platoon Commander, Company Commander,  Battalion Commander, Regimental Commander, Division/MEF Commanding General, the CG in charge of Afghanistan, the Secretary of the Navy, or, finally, the Secretary of Defense.

    You absolutely have the right to refuse any order on the grounds that it is “unlawful”. But, once you do that, you can expect to immediately be taken to the brig or placed under arrest while an investigation is done. If the investigation goes your way, and the order was unlawful, then whoever issued that order will face appropriate disciplinary action. If, however, the order, after the fact, is judged to be lawful, then you get the face the full consequences of your insubordination.

    Regardless, who wants to bet that Sgt Stein here isn’t given the opportunity to reenlist the Marine Corps? They’re cutting 20,000 Marines over the next few years, they’re going to be extremely selective with boatspaces, looks like Sgt Stein better hope that some of his tea bagger patriots will find a nice bootstrappy job for him.

    Oh, and here is the full text of the Oath of Enlistment –
    “I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
    defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
    foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
    same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United
    States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
    regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

    You will notice the last section there. It doesn’t say anything about lawful, or unlawful, orders. It just says that you will follow the orders that the President, or his Officers, give you.

  • Semper Fidelis!

    Many years ago – when questioned – The commanding General and Commander in Chief of all the American Army stated:

    When I took up the profession of arms, I did not forgo the “Obligation” of being a “CITIZEN!”  General George Washington

    Sad Day for USA, Military Officers, and the USMC — In my almost 40 years of Government service – I never seen a “COMMANDER” insert themselves between a soldier’s God Given Right to Political Speech – Off Site away from command! True American Military Officers [sworn to Constitution] would never insert themselves in such a clearly Constitutional RIGHT ~ POLITICAL SPEECH.

    No longer ~ Semper Fidelis!  “Always Faithful” to the Constitution

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