Oops. So who picks a school for the insurance coverage?  Does not matter, She had and has other options.  Seven years worth, I suppose.

30 yrs old and still in college to get laid. Her parents must be proud. I wonder who is paying her tuition?

Wow….is ANYTHING that comes from the left legitimate and on the up and up?  ANYTHING?

you are a pig.  I trust you are fucking your daughters and mother too -posting that on line for all to see

Does ANY of this means she should be called “SLUT?”

Tuition 45,000> Contraceptives3000>Media Publicity 500,000>Being a liberal stooge and useful idiot PRICELESS!

It’s true. We also now know that she was on the Long March and may actually be Lenin’s love child. The deviousness of liberals knows no bounds. The Obama Presidency is the culmination of a plot that goes all the way back to Karl Marx.

She looks like a frigid bitch.

To pay $3000 for three years of birth control is she buying it from a gigolo?

 AT 30 SHE SHOULD HAVE 5 YRS PRACTICE ALREADY DY BEING A LIBTARD SHE SPENT TOO MANY YEARS PARTYING AND GETTING LAID TO GRADUATE ON TIME

 She should practice The Clinton/Lewinsky Blue Dress Contraception Method > Works Every time! Or just swallow the kids , it cheaper.

Fluke is a REALLY OLD STUDENT, why does she want me to pay for her SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS? I doubt she is spending 3000$’s through college on SEX, for WHAT CONDoMS? Maybe she is paying men for the ”favors.” EITHER WAY SHE IS A STUPID PLANT set up by PELOSI. PELOSI is probably PAYING her in TUNA FISH STOCK to cause this DISTRACTION. The DEMOCRATs are in BIG TROUBLE Their SAVIOR is a FRAUD and has FORGED FEDERAL DOCUMENTS for POWER. THIS IS SCARY. I WORRY ABOUT THE DIVISION THAT WILL TAKE PLACE WHEN THE TRUTH IS UNCOVERED, when the ZOMBIES are CONFRONTED with STACKS of EVIDENCE. THEIR HERO IS A MUSLIM PLANT funded by the SAUDI KING & MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.ALL WE CAN DO IS VOTE OUT THE COWARDS THAT ARE TO SCARED TO SEARCH FOR TRUTH AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.DISGUSTING TIMES.

stupid she is an ACTIVIST. 

If she’s in law school, odds are that she has student loans out. Law school is expensive. Dollars to donuts she defaults and joins the lawsuits against law school by recent grads who are whining that the school ‘misled’ them about the postgraduate market for young and inexperienced lawyers.

 I ‘am also a  conservative with a 4-year degree, and I think a majority of people would agree with me when I say that some of the stupidest fucking people I ever had the misfortune of being around were college graduates.

I don’t think she is doing anything other than self-service; hence, contraceptives is a mute point.

There are medical uses for these medications other than birth control and that is what she testified about.

Another WH plant. Like all the left’s “average Joes/Janes” testifying, telling sob stories. Nothing with these unconscionable dbags can be taken at face value.

Actually, no, law school is GRADUATE, not postgraduate. Idiot.
And 30 is pretty old for law school. And interesting she can afford grad school at Georgetown, but not contraceptives.

Again, there is no issues with birth control “access” as it is everywhere. If you want to take the next step, deregulate the pill and make it OTC with an ID.

There are other medical uses for viagra too but insurance companies do not cover it nor does the gov’t pay for it… 

Rush’s bottom line point is that we all should not be paying for this woman’s or anyone else’s contraceptive costs; and that bottom line is absolutely correct.

A secondary point is that the Democrats are into this argument over health care coverage of contraceptive costs because abortion is not working as an issue for the Democrats; and that is also correct.

I think the taxpaying public are also paying for Ms. Fluke’s education and she will probably end up working on a staff in Congress, writing tax codes and more laws to take, take, take……Where was she between high school at law school?   There’s some missing time in her bio.

Well, all you closeted douchebags, why let the facts get in the way of a good diversionary tactic?  After all, women having sex is making gas prices go up and sending jobs to China and contributing to the foreclosure crisis.  This is all about, gasp, a black man in the White House and ooh, boy, he’s coming to get your guns and your Bibles. 

Hey Sandra if you need birth control just super glue a couple of saucers together bottom to bottom. when you get the urge to become sperm depository just clamp that sucker between your knees and hold firmly. do not get on your knees as the donor may do an end run on you. total cost $5.00 for life time i’ll pay for them cuz we don.t want you to procreate

Sandra Fluke: n (penus nonerectus) : Liberal Slut-o-potomus

this is  abount the most stupid  fucking conversation i have ever read, then a realise it’s a right wing nut job web site, narrow minded stupid scaredy cat, the sky is falling , quick grab your guns stupity. conservatives are the reason we schould have birth control ,look at all the idiots they produce, must come from a lot of inbreeding.  they worried abount the presidents birth certifacate, because they don,t have one , they don’t know what one looks like, their  birth mother didn’t want to put her dad or brothers down as the father .  , the  rich conservative party,s real plan is to ,keep your eye on obama, so you don’t  notice how they are throwing the poor and middle class to the wolves     booooooooooooooooooo

Oh ..  you are so very droll … I mean troll .. paid … like a whore is .. and far more of a lie than any whore ever was …

I’d be willing to bet the registrar at Georgetown has no such person enrolled.  Anyone in the media check?  I doubt it.

No wonder she is so old..she is a slug and dumber than a box of rocks. My daughter graduated law school @ 23….this one would be an embarrassment to her entire family between her sex and too stupid to get out of law school until 30 plus. POOR PARENTS.

 I would bet money if you check with the registrar there, she is not enrolled. Just another operative put there like the Cain attackers which turned out to all be liars and in cahoots with the WH. It is the Chicago way ……..

SHUT.
THE.
FUCK.
UP.

And learn how to spell, you illiterate dumb shit.

Damn.

No I would guess she buys from the POTUS ( pimp of the united states)   Libs are to stupid or lazy to bargain hunt. The pill costs $5 a month at walmart yet this little cum dumpster refuses to skip one trip to starbucks!

Viagra has always been covered for men. Do your research before trying to make a point.

I don’t agree with using JUST condoms. Every woman should be given the choice if she wants to use additional protection. People who are fine with JUST condoms don’t see the argument made here. Couples who prefer additional protection should be having that conversation privately and coming up with a plan that works for them. 

“twats” is plural.  “twat’s is possessive as in he will match his intelligence the the intelligence possessed by any other liberal twat.  Chester is correct in his usage.  Perhaps you should be taking the remedial English class.

Some professors are even worse! I work at a community college and it’s a bit odd to see stickers of Karl Marx and Che Guevara on their office windows.

You have to wonder if she is a law student how she has this much time on her hands to testify on Capital Hill and get on MSNBC. Interesting.

..and why not? We bought the birth certificate – why not this load of BS…?

I’m curious to know if there is any left wing liberal marxist democrat that is intelligent enough to explain why I should pay for your birth control pill if you are too dumb to keep your knees together?  Assuming you are that dumb then are you not also dumb to be parroting the marxist idiology instead of being a Patriotic American?   Further if you are not dumb then why not a logical explanation of your position instead of ignominious remarks and name calling from the sewer?

With a name like 
Madhu Aditya, you should know all about rage… pulled your beard out lately?

Tuition?? Im sure by this time next week Obama will have given her a full scholarship.

She has somehow been able to afford 4 years of college, gotten a BS or BA in something and now is attending a very expensive Law School. Yet she needs the $10/hr. line worker to chip in for her condoms, or morning after pills or BC pills?
They picked her out of a lineup. It’s just another Obama propaganda war on all of us.
Catholic School,local-so she can spread Obama’s message to the eager morons in the MSM that Catholics are intollerant.
Once done, and Rush Limbaugh took the bait and is running with it, Obama’s “Health” mandate will look compassionate.

She is there for one reason only.

So why is it that everyone has managed to budget contraception up to this point and now it is suddenly an issue.

This is what is known as a distraction. It’s a battlefield tactic and the same thing used by magicians.  The  left is distracting from all our gripes and concerns with something that is crap.  Don’t fall for it. Don’t get suckered in, this is a NON ISSUE.

Also, how many people noticed that Obama called her to express his sympathy at the treatment she has received. Does anyone know if he has called any of the families of our servicement who had been murdered this last week in Afganistan after it was made public that a few Korans were burned because they had been used to transmitt sensitive data between prisoners? Does anything seem strange here to anyone other than I, and apparently Pat Dollard?

She is, by her own statement, on full scholarship, paying nada, zilch.

I would agree…and then they can pay for it themselves…thinkaboutit

Soros paid no doubt….

Same smarmy deception we’ve come to expect from the socialist democrats. They always want to trick us into accepting their agendas.

 Journal of Economics and Business, Oct/Nov 2008: Self-described “Liberals/Democrats” far more likely to not graduate high school or finish college.

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Last time I checked I actually pay for my health care and pharmacuticals through my employment.  Here’s your problem Republicans are looking like women haters.  They pick a topic which, as the majority of candidates are male, haven’t a clue.  When is it alright for a middle aged man to dictate how a woman should live her life?  Why does religion come into it when the constituation states a seperation of the church and politics?  The republican party is a mess.  Alienating women, check, alienating free thinkers, check, alienating atheists and other religions, check! 

In related news today, Georgetown University announced that they have offered law scholarships to the Kardashians and Snooki.

Education certainly didn’t improve your language!

When is it alright for a middle aged man to dictate how a woman should live her life?

Bullshit~~no one is suggesting any such thing. The issue here is forcing a religious institution to pay for something that
violates their basic doctrine. It’s called the first amendment you dumb c–t.

how is it a “load” that obama called her at msnbc? what is loadish about it? that he called? that he called at msnbc?

rush can exercise free speech? no one took his right from him. free speech doesn’t mean no one can criticize what you say, though. obviously he has free speech. but i have free speech too. so i’m free to say i didn’t like what he said.

wow. u guys don’t even bother to watch the actual testimony. how many times do people have to yell out, “she testified about someone else’s pill useage, who used it for ovarian cysts”?

This isn’t a war on Women. This is a war on the taxpayers to support a new radical ”Reproductive Justice” program to which free (paid for by the taxpayers) birth control is to be implemented and shoved down our throats. BTW, if something is given away as a freebie, then there is a 100% chance of that freebie being a 100% piece of crap.  

She knew what the Georgetown policy was before she enrolled there…it had been long standing Catholic doctrine since before she was born…and she has the gall to think she can presume to change that doctrine while living outside the tenets of Catholic morality?..and to do so at taxpayer expense?…. she has clearly been carrying her brains around in her panties and now she is willing to whore herself to the Federal government for 28 pills a month

all types of women use birth control and for several different reasons, not just so they can have irresponsible sex. married women use birth control, for example? are they somehow too dumb to keep their knees together in a God-sanctioned loving marriage? I pay taxes for all kinds of things i don’t approve of; war for example. i get it that you don’t want to pay for liberal ideas. but it’s not tyranny; these are duly elected representatives it’s not king george.

then u ask for logical explanations not insuls. but you spent your post insulting liberals? that’s hypocrisy. you called me dumb, called my mother a dumb slut, essentially, and questioned my patriotism. i scroll through this thread and all i see is anger and sewer-dwelling remarks and name-calling. i rationally explained my position anyway, not that it will do any good. but there you go. i’m not a marxist. i believe in america we have a mixed economy and a mix of capitalism and socialism in democratic system. i think having the right amount of both is something we keep working on and debating. i love my country and i don’t appreciate being vilified everyday by people who don’t know me but who are supposed to be my countrymen, my brothers.

Yes, I have been referring to folks like that as Educated Idiots for a couple of decades…I have known a few…

What’s that spot on her dress? And why does she smell of tiparillos and malt liquor?

the leberal media is so sickening,,,,,   calling her a victim, and full of grace,, and the sour looks on thier faces      what a bunch of scum bags liberals are

30 years old and still in college?  Of course she is a left.   No real job, no real prospects, she will live her intire life living off of others, while STILL getting a law degree.  Get out and get a job, you bum, and pay for your own friggin pills.

This woman is one of those awful “community organizers”.  She helps victims of domestic abuse get through the court system, she works against human trafficking and she works to get reproductive rights for woman.  I’m glad I’m not her mother.  I would be so ashamed.  Maybe we should stone her.  Surely, she is a piece of crap when compared to Rush Limbaugh.  Right?

Maybe she was working so that she could earn her tuition for law school

This is Sandra Fluke’s testimony.  No where in there does she say that she is 23.  No where in there does she say that she needs birth control so that she can have sex.  She doesn’t even say that she has ever had sex.  She talks about people’s situations and their need for birth control medication for medical purposes but she never says that she has so much sex that she need lots of birth control as Rush put it.  Read her testimony and tell me how she has somehow portrayed herself as a slut.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf

Don’t put words in my mouth, girly.  I know you right wingers like to use sound bites because they’re easier to remember, but “reproductive rights” is not a euphemism for abortion.  Reproductive rights are having the ability to plan your own family as and when you want to.  That’s why so many women use birth control.  I suggested we stone, Sandra because so many people on this site sound like they’re from the dark ages.  Just communicating to the level of the audience.  Here is her speech before Pelosi’s group. 
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf

Please show me where she has indicated in any way that she is sexually active.  Her testimony exclusively addressed other women.  She never said that she was 23 either.  It’s outrageous that a woman who has advocated for victims of domestic abuse and worked to prevent human trafficking should be treated this way just so that Rush Limbaugh won’t look like the horses ass that he is.

 
This post is total BS (and is almost a
direct copy of posts on about 50 other right-wing blogs. Geez, at
least TRY not to look as if you are getting marching orders. Do some
original research on your own. Read the transcript of her testimony.
It is not about her getting b/c for herself — it is about the
denial of medically prescribed b/c pills used to treat other
conditions being denied. It also has nothing to do with tax dollars.
Students pay fr medical coverage — perhaps they should have a say
in what is covered?The “plant” angle is based on a WaPo
article where Fluke (who never claimed to be 23, BTW) and was upfront
about being an activist (so, it is OK to be a right-wing activist,
but not a left-wing activist??) where she said that she knew about
the Georgetown policy when she enrolled, but enrolled anyway because
of the quality of the education. Later, she decided to work to change
a policy that she thought was wrong and harmful to female
students.Once again, the right-wing talkers are proving to the
women of America that they and the Republican Party they
represent:1) don’t understand us, our bodies, or our lives2)
don’t CARE to understand us3) think we don’t matter4) are
willing to lie about what we say to make themselves look better5)
claim we are being too sensitive because they are just “being
funny” ie entertainersNow, if you were in a relationship with a
man like that, would you be happy? Would you feel cherished and
respected? If you were mentally healthy, would you kick is a$$ to the
curb?I submit that any American woman who supports the Republican
Party after all this is suffering from the equivalent mental distress
of an abused wife or girlfriend whose self-esteem is so low she
thinks it is all her fault. Please, seek therapy.

whoever wrote the above store about this young lady is an idiot!!!!

bull, insurance does cover viagra

Dear Sandra Fluke,  I don’t give a damn about your sex life.  I don’t care who you do our don’t do.  What I do care about is you are so arrogant to feel that I, a total stranger, should pay for you.  I do not owe you a condom.  I do not owe you an education.  I do not owe you anything.  You’re a big part of what’s wrong without country.  Grow up.  Ween yourself from the government breast and move on to solid food.  

Please explain to me how exactly you end up paying for her private health insurance. 

you go girl,you are the first one to tell them to listen to her testimony before you judge, because after you hear it, its like where the hell did rush din-bulb come up with wanting to get paid for sex,or the gov. paying her. you can’t fight stupid, you can lead a conservative to water,but you can’t make him think

This is Winona Ryder. She is playing this part. One more liberal terrorist. Pelosi has to know about this and is therefore a criminal also. MD

yes its a secrete plan we had for 200 years, we are going to in slave all you right wing white nut jobs, make you work in our cottom fields  make you sex up each other, then give you all abortions, ya thats how we like to waste our time

we are  all well aware of all the propaganda machine going on

So in addition to never listening or reading her testimony, I gather you missed that the President of Georgetown came out and spoke against Limbaugh’s comments.  I would say it’s safe to assume that she is enrolled there.  Nice try though.

Doesn’t she kind of remind you of the “head stomp” girl? Remember the Rand Paul disguised chick who ran up to his vehicle and then was taken down…that went silent quickly, as should this GRANDSTANDING TACTIC..Same tactic as before, obviously.duh

Breaking:  Rush Limbaugh issues a formal apology to Sandra Fluke.  I’m sure it was sincere and heartfelt.

I’d be curious to know about her scholarship.  Where it’s from.  Probably some leftist front TAX-EXEMPT foundation.

Not true. About 2 1/2 minutes into her testimony, she noted that the insurance Georgetown provides does cover contraception if medically necessary.  This was all about free birth control.

Valad medical concern?  Nope. 

Holy Generalizations Batman!  No, SOME insurance plans do…  Hey!  That is just like Contraceptives!  Weird, you mean you could shop for a plan that does if you wanted that?  So funny.  Psst, my wife is one of those evil Pharmacists that, well, you know, knows this stuff.

Let’s see–the media gets her age wrong and it’s her fault?  And how do you know she began college at the age of 18?  There are many people going back to college at an older age.  Let see, at most colleges the majority of students get some sort of scholarships.  I thought that was the idea?  WOrk hard and get scholarships.  Oh, I’m sorry–I’m just a stupid ass women who should learn to keep her mouth shut.  As I see it-the mojority of you are just upset that someone got something YOU couldn’t get-a scholarship.  I’m sure I’ll get ripped for that remark–but as the old saying goes…if the shoe fits!

The reason she, and others on the left are doing all of this is that to them, America, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and our whole way of life is one big tort. they see their role as lawyers to debate all that is wrong with America, (in their eyes), and fix it. That is why we non lawyers are always being put on the spot to change, to bend to their will. After all, they’re so  much smarter than we.
We the people must begin a cleansing. November is right around the corner and besides removing those who believe that America is in need of fundamental transformation, we must also begin to remove the career politicians from Congress.
Congress was never meant to be a career.
Congress was never meant to be taken over by a bunch of lawyers and thieves. There is a place for lawyers, just not in politics. We the people must revert to the model the founders left us, citizen government.
Congress, at least the House of Representatives, was supposed to be made up of a cross section of Americans, 
NOT ALL LAWYERS!
We wonder why we get 2000+ page bills?
The whole purpose of going to law school is to learn how to utilize 3 paragraphs to say yes or no, without ever committing to either.
Congress is supposed to represent us, our will. Does anyone believe they’re doing that?
Don’t get too excited, the only thing at stake is America herself.
The silent majority must no longer remain silent. We the people must help our next President by starting to remove the career politicians from DC. These people trade their votes like baseball cards, (I’ll give you 1 XL pipeline for 3 abortion). 
We the people have allowed this, “good old boys club” to go on for too long. Those in Congress have betrayed our trust. They lie to us, steal from us, and make fools of us daily. It is past time to “drain the swamp”, (the only truth Ms. Peliosi has ever uttered), and the only way it will happen is if we the people remove them from office, one by one if necessary.
Every American who loves this country must do their part, if only to vote, do something.
We must become the greatest generation. It is our turn to take on the mantle and save America from those who believe America needs to be “fundamentally transformed”, and those who’ve aided in that transformation.
just sayin

Here’s a smart one from Georgetown.

http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-does-not-speak-for-me/

 You are mixing issues, preventing pregnancy for promiscious sex is far different than true family planning.  Some do take pills to regulate their periods.   Also I didn’t call your mother a slut.  Don’t talk about hypocrisy then use it yourself.  No I don’t question anyone’s patriotism.  I DO question where it lies, with our Contitution and our Republic or with the left wing marxist.  That is a legitimate question.  Saying so is one thing, showing it by your actions and words is another.
  

You’re smoking what Obama has been growing. Your comment has nothing to do with the subject of the article. Stop displaying your ignorance and as you said, “Grow up”. 

Where is the proof of any of this?

 Valid medical concerns such as this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endometriosis

If you don’t want to click on the link, Endometriosis is a painful condition that can result in infertility and can be treated by hormonal birth control pills.

That’s the one I know off the top of my head,as several friends of mine have this condition.

 It’s a shame the school you went to didn’t have a class that taught how not to be a douche.

 Oh, hi there, Racism! What a surprise to find you on a conservative blog!

 Doctors tend to be in med school well into their 30′s. Are doctors morons?

This girl is a disgrace to Georgetown Law …Education is tantamount not a super-social life! Those gilrls who want to go to college “WORK” for things they want!
I do not want to listen to someone who crys about the price of birth control pills being paid for.
My belief is someone fixed this foolishness and put you up to it…as the Mom of two daughters who worked their way thru college (YES) a Catholic college too.
Work for what you want! IF you are at Georgetown, tell me  what will you earn after you take the Bar Exam? I think you will have plenty of money,
Stop crying and work!
Hmm guess who put you up to this one?? Sorry!

 Awwww…is you mad now ? Oh, but your “temper is in check”, is it ? Which is exactly why you had to mention it.

“A perfectly fine, civic minded young lady ” ? *stifles laughter* How on earth did you manage to type that with a straight face ? – And how does one “presume to put words in someones mouth “? – Do you actually read back the crap you type as if it is actual thought ?

I never cease to be amazed at how inherently and utterly useless you leftists truly are. What you want, and what this slut wants is free contraception. Why not have the guts to admit it ? Are you that much of a coward that you simply can not defend your own position ?

“Denegration”? – What is that ? Ahhhh, I see you’re just as smart as the morons whom you defend. It’s DENIGRATION, and since you can’t even spell it, I will safely assume that you do not know the meaning. It’s what you cowardly leftists have been doing for years to silence conservatives, and it’s ending right now before your eyes.

Now sit your dumb ass in the corner and shut up. You have contributed nothing to this conversation besides cheap laughs at your profound stupidity.

Hey dude  are YOU getting laid???   

looks like the Soviet Style Education System has done its work…turn our Children into animals with no control over them self’s nothing but pluming for the satisfactions of themselves and there animal friends….the damage they are doing to themselves will not show up for years….but it will…believe me it will….  

News flash:
The tax-payers – the real people who produce real goods and pay real money for political fakes like flake – are ALREADY paying her tuition, SO WHEN THE HELL DOES SHE GROW THE FUCK UP AND START PAYING HER OWN WAY FOR ANY-DAMNED-THING?
…and particularly for the recreational pursuits of her sexual organs!

Helpful hint:
 Nothing – absolutely-fuckin’-NO-DAMNED-THING in this world! – is “free”, buttercup, so if she is being given something, it’s being taken from someone else.

You lefties shit yourselves about Cuba’s “healthcare system”, YOU pay her fare and ship here ass THERE!

This is America, where grown-ups STILL PAY THEIR OWN WAY!
…and you parasites live off our labor.

I guess she really IS a slut.

No bias in Andrea Mitchell’s interview here.  Gag!

Hold on. When birth control is used to treat a medical condition, it’s covered by insurance. This is just another liberal lie used to push an agenda.

 And Fat Boy swallowed the ruse hook line and sinker!  He just could resist spewing some of his vile hate and in doing so he presented OUR PRESIDENT with a campaign gift that will keep on giving!!

BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHA!

 *sigh*

She stated in her ‘testimony’ that the insurance Georgetown does provide WILL cover contraception if medically necessary.

What part of that does not compute in your dwarf brain ?

It IS about free contraception, and no amount of back-peddling and flat out lying changes that fact.

And God forbid she actually get pregnant…something that tends to happen when you have sex with or without birth control pills. They are not 100% reliable at preventing pregnancy. Then, YOU will also support her so-called ‘right’ to murder that baby and still have the audacity to say that abortion is not used as a method of birth control.

Of course you just can not seem to grasp the fact that no one buys your leftist line of bullshit, so you will continuously keep repeating the same crap.

Doesn’t work. And it never will.

Who is paying for her ‘scholarship’? I can tell you it’s NOT the WLALA because they don’t list her anywhere and they do list 14 recipients since 2007 and they’ve only awarded scholarships to about 34 women.  AND:  only to women attending law school in LOS ANGELES as follows:
• Be currently be enrolled in a law school that is accredited by the Committee of Bar Examiners of the State of California and that is located in Los Angeles County, and plan to be so enrolled in the 2012-2013 academic year;• Upon graduation from law school, plan to practice law in Southern California; andhttp://www.wlala.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=20

Well I guess you did not read or listen to her testimony, it was about women who can’t get medically necessary hormonal contraception for serious medical conditions. It was also all about how the guidelines caused such a delay to one woman she had to have an ovary removed and will probably never be able to have children. I have had to use hormonal contraception for a very serious condition called endometriosis. If you care about the actual facts then please look it up. It was not about contraception for birth control at all. I read the transcript of her testimony before I drew a conclusion on the topic. And I also read the transcripts of Rush’s show on his website to be sure that I knew exactly what he did say before I formed an opinion. I wish those that are so against her would do the same. If you compare her what she actually said to what Rush said she said, Rush fabricated 99% of it. This is just the truth when comparing it side by side.

How is it slanted? If you read her testimony and the transcripts of Rush’s show, he made up 99% of it, so why is Rush not slanted? Because you probably didn’t fact check Rush, believe everything he said, and then think that this has to be slanted because it did not match Rush, despite the fact that Rush just made up things and said she said things she never said. What is your goal? Just to prevent women to receive what they are already paying for? To make sure they don’t get medicine for serious conditions?

So this is not actually what it is about. The entire issue was about women, that pay for medical insurance, but the University won’t allow the insurance company to cover the hormonal contraception at all, even when necessary for serious medical conditions. So the University held this up for one woman, until it was too late, and then she lost an ovary and will probably never be able to have children, so yea, it is something to worry about. I have been there with a medical condition treated by hormonal contraception. I don’t blame you for not knowing this, I do for making assumptions without reading her testimony and not educating yourself on an issue.

Well I could give you proof from first hand experience, unfortunately

Well it is. She is not a fraud, she is not a plant, she is a law student who advocates on behalf of students on this issue which is why she was asked to speak. It is about hormonal contraception used to treat serious medical conditions, and about people paying for insurance, that should and normally would cover the treatment, but entities such as the University are not allowing it, and then the person having to pay for it out of pocket on top of their insurance premiums or suffer serious consequences.

So you can say what you want, but as someone who suffered from a very serious illness that was treated with hormonal contraception, it is to me about people preventing me from getting the health care I need, or, having to pay for a treatment when I already pay for insurance that is supposed to cover it. It is not okay that one group of people – women who happen to have a medical condition in which the treatment is hormonal contraception, have to pay extra.

It is no different than you paying for insurance, and then finding out you have a heart condition, and some other entity saying even though your insurance covers it, you can’t get it unless you pay $100 every month, instead of the $20 a month co-pay. And you have to take it every day for it to work.

So for me, it is not about Sandra, Obama, right vs left or even Rush, it is about the attempt some are trying to make in expanding this allowance, it is not okay for people to put my health at risk or that I have to pay extra for something just because my particular condition happens to be treated with contraception.

And I am sorry but it is not patriotic by any stretch of the imagination for you to make your assumptions without knowing the fact or to support this. It is a serious issue.

A liberal terrorist. Well the only terrorist to me is someone like you that wants to prevent me from getting medical care or having to pay extra for it on top of my health care premiums.

Well again she never once talked about her sex life or sex at all, it is about medical conditions treated with hormonal contraception usually covered by insurance but the university is preventing it. They pay for their insurance, so it is not about you being responsible or paying for it.

So perhaps you need to grow up and learn how to read, you can actually just read her testimony yourself, instead of having someone else tell you what she said, with the sole purpose of getting you all riled up, as you are.

Uh, no, if you have an illness that causes infertility, such as myself, such as the woman she talked about in her testimony that wound up losing an ovary, then you have lost your reproductive rights because you could not afford the treatment on top of the insurance premiums you are paying for that are supposed to be covered but were not because the university got in the way – that is reproductive rights.

No, you are really wrong. The insurance does, but Georgetown interferes with that, and has held up the process, she gave an example of one girl in which it was too late, she lost her ovary becaue of it.

 
You are also wrong about it being free, it is about it being covered, by the insurance that they pay for. You either did not read the full testimony for yourself or you can’t understand it, either way, you are wrong.

What she did say:

These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries.
Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans, it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception bemade for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators, or other employers, rather than women or their doctors, dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to
prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much
more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100
out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop
taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message
from her that in the middle of her final exam period she’d been in the emergency
room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, “It was so painful, I woke up
thinking I’d been shot.” Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the
size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove
her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony,
she sat in a doctor’s office. Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night
sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the

Well into their 30s? If they’re in med school “well into their 30′s,” and didn’t have a late start, then yes, they are morons.

Georgetown University annual tuition: $55,000
Birth Control annually from CVS: $108.00

I’m against free government birth control because I want to prevent more helpless 30-year old infants.

That is a moot point simply because it was stated that contraceptive treatment for hormonal problems is already provided by Georgetown’s insurance, so THAT isn’t the reason she is there. By her own mouth, she appears to be there to have sex 3 times a day. 
I wonder how she finds time to study?

Ce3ase with this bullshit, that dog won’t hunt,stop defending this cunt.

Give it a rest, no one’s buying that shit.

 Oh, hi there, idiot.

Islam is not a race.

 A ton of comments from msb123 throughout this thread.  Probably a paid operative like Fluke.

  A ton of comments from msb123 throughout this thread.  Probably a paid operative like Fluke.

Sigh all that you want but your response makes it abundantly clear that you have not read her testimony, preferring to take your talking points from Rush.  You Lemmings have to repeat the faux facts that are spoon fed to you rather than do any independant fact checking yourself.  I know that Georgetown’s policy had an exception for medically necessary birth control.  However, Sandra testified that the review board who determines whether a medically necessary condition exists, denied coverage to this woman despite a letter from her treating physician.  That was Sandra’s testimony.  Read it.  If you don’t comprehend that then read it again until you do. She said that woman’s claim was denied repeatedly.  Despite the talking points that you have been fed, her testimony was intended  to address the issue that a private insurance policy should pay for all prescriptions including birth control.  Read the testimony and stop pulling these faux facts from your ass.  She never said that she wanted birth control so that she could have sex.  She never said that she should have access to free birth control.  She never said that she was 23.  She only said that her private health insurance policy, should include coverage for birth control. 

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Contraceptives are a much less expensive alternative to breeding.
Of course, if one of the breeders has an abortion, they can always immediately register it as a repiglican.
Thos things are just abortions with other names.

Yes, they have coverage if it’s for a genuine medical condition, the issue is about the fact that the University has imposed themself between the doctor and patient and the insurance company and not allowed the insurance company to provide it, for one girl this resulted in her losing an ovary, another is in limbo while she has an issue called endometriosis. The testimony is that there are bills in Congress to allow this to be expanded, it is not sport for me, or politics, I have too much personal experience with this.

Well Dan your point does not apply since the whole testimony had nothing to do with birth control for sex but the lack of treatment for medically necessary conditions and the expansion of that and examples of the damage it has done, yes, women like the one that lost her ovary for lack of treatment, yes, that damage will show up in years to come, when she tries to have children but cannot

Yup I am a christian and looking at the posts down below, this is why I am not a republican.

I don’t care about the coverage, the politics, or any of that. You can call me names, but I suffered for many years with a condition that needed to treated with hormonal contraception. I do not want me or any other women to have to have our options lessened in terms of where to work or where to go to school because we have to worry about not receiving medically necessary treatment, or paying for it on top of the insurance we are paying for,

Medical insurance was ORIGINALLY set up for catastrophic events.  Rates started going up because people started going to the doctor whenever they had a sniffle.

Now, this woman IS NOT being denied access to contraception.  The argument is to deny her access to the rest of our wallets to pay for it.

If she feels compelled to have so much sex, then she should be responsible for her actions and pay for it herself…  Get it??

No John, someone that has suffered from a serious illness that is treated with hormonal contraception. I am not a paid operative, my name is Michelle Suzanne Butler, just someone who has been in the situation of slipping through the cracks when it comes to health care issues, and I am simply tired of it.

No I am not misinformed and not lying. I did say it can cause a lot of problems, can cause, can cause, can cause. Not does always cause.

Yes, I had laporoscopy. And yes, some was removed. And what you do not know is that not all conditions are the same, mine was, unfortunately, extremely serious. Not all of it could be removed during the surgery, because it would have caused too much scar tissue which would have made me infertile.

After the surgery I had to take Lupron hormonal injections for 9 months to put my body through a pseudo pregnancy. After that, the endometriosis started to come back again, which is when my doctor put me on birth control, but it still continued to grow, although slower. I was getting cysts, and infections. And yes, my doctor told me, given my case, not to go off of it unless I was ready to conceive. My issues did not stop until I went on Depo Provera, which is more expensive than the pill.

The point is, if I or any other woman is paying for insurance, I should not have to pay for that treatment out of pocket, and the expansion of that policy does concern me.

And all the girl did was give some examples to Congress. Her name being splashed all over the place was because of Rush’s comments. Rush lied flat out about what she did and did not say, usually when someone lies about what you said, it is because you have a good point that they cannot debunk. It was Rush who caused her to be splashed all over the place, if not for that, none of us would know her name.

You should also do more research on endometriosis before you comment, not every case is the same, the illness is drastically different for everyone, I had a very serious case. Research it before you speak. Some people get cancer and can work all through treatments and come out just fine, others get very sick, others die.

Well no since the issue was never abouot free birth control, it was about women paying for insurance and being denied medically necessary medical treatment.

Actually, I was accepted to Georgetown, and almost went but chose another school. At the time, I was using hormonal contraception injections to treat a condition called endometriosis. One thing I never thought about, and I was rasied Catholic, was to question whether that would be covered under my insurance. The notion that it wouldn’t is insane, the notion that it would be denied as it is a standard treatment for endometriosis would never have entered my mind, the school did not send me a memo about it with my acceptance letter. I would have been in the same position. It was never about sex, by the way, it was about it being denied for medical necessity. It was also not about taxpayers, there was no mention of taxpayer funding it, it was about allowing the insurance to provide it as they normally would, the insurance they are already paying for to treat such conditions with such medication.

Well this was not about contraception for sex, it was about medical necessity, that was supposed to be covered, but the University’s policies interfered and was forcing the girls to either not get treatment or pay for it in addition to the insurance they pay for which is just unfair. Women should not have to be limited to where they work or study because of policies that treat them unfairly, that is not equality.

 she is.. she said she is. she received LOANS and scholarships. NEWS FLASH she is paying it herself

 news flash she is paying it using loans. she is in law school. you are quite the idiot and out of touch with modern society

 she never lied once. she never said her age.. you are deluded.

 wrong! a school can, for religious reasons block ALL use of birth control no matter what the use. that is simple law.. get a job.

The Constitution is also supposed to ensure equality, equal opportunity for all. I am not equal if I am limited to where I work or study because of policies that infringe on my medical care or cause me to pay more for my health care than a man does, that is not an equal playing field, the whole premise of our society and the basis of the Constitution. The religious institution is overstepping the boundaries when they are not allowing doctros to prescribe medical care. The First Amendment allows me to be free from religious organiations imposing their beliefs on me. They don’t have to allow birth control for pregnancy prevention, but when they interfere with health care, that is going too far in this country, that is more like sharia law, they do the same thing. If Georgetown wants to do that, they should stop taking federal grant money, and Churches should give up their tax exempt status, because I am really tired of my tax dollars subsidizing something that treats me this way.

 actually she said that she has supported herself via scholarships and other FUNDING.. she did not say she is getting a free ride.

 SHE NEVER said that you moron. she said she paid for health insurance.

 where did it say she is getting welfare? chuck project your childhood trauma and issues with women inward…

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A lot of people and their ways of life are totally disgusting but to get up on national tv and advertise their disgusting behavior is even worst. When does she go to school and when does she study? Her lifestyle doesn’t permit either from her testimony. I would like to see young people with intelligence be able to discuss some of their lifestyles before congress. Pelosi is such a laugh around the world!!!!!!!!!

No it’s a cult….

Schooled……;

No it was public interest scholorships…..which means taxpayers.

Her “medical concern” is not caused by the insurance policies of Georgetown University.  She does not have to attend Georgetown University.  And yes, we DO pay for her tuition and insurance.  If she couldn’t afford contraception then i’ve no doubt she has accepted PELL funds. If she doesn’t qualify for PELL funds then she can buy her own damned insurance or her medical care directly.  She does NOT have ANY standing to tell a private business what it MUST provide and the government most certainly does not either. That is what this is really about, so how about you stop trolling already test run?

This SLUT (if you have $3,000 of sex per year then there is no other word for you. your choices have made you a slut by this point) is a grown woman who SAW what was and what was not covered by this insurance policy.  She chose to attend.  She chose to attend specifically to fight against a CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY policy that did not offer contraceptives. Who has the money to go to LAW SCHOOL just to fight a policy that they don’t like? You would have to be so rich that money has no meaning to you. Which Fluke is not.  That means she has a BACKER.  This is another progressive socialist push trying to falsely play peoples heart strings in order to take more of our freedom.

As for “the way she dresses” the comment about a spot on her dress was a suggestion that, like Monica Lewinsky and her famous blue dress, she has been blowing Obama.  It obviously went over your head so I explained it for you.

Incorrect again, test run.  If anything, anything at all contraceptive or otherwise, is deemed a MEDICAL NECCESSITY then it is covered under any insurance plan. Your liberal tactics of generating false facts doesn’t work anymore.  Conservatism is taking back over, as it should be.

You
really believe her story about a close friend with a valid medical concern?! It
was probably an abortion her friend wanted the rest of us to pay for. You sound
like a “grown up” with his/her head in the sand. Obama lies and will
do anything to further his agenda. Putting a Active Women’s Rights Advocate in
disguise as a coed, in front of Congress so she can whine how much her sex life
is costing her and how the rest of us should be paying for it, is right up
Obama sleazy ally. Since when is it an attack on women and women’s health issue
when the rest of us, women included, don’t want to pay for abortions and
contraception. What next? Do you want me to pay for your  tampons and cosmetic surgery? What about the
attack on the taxpayer? Here’s a solution, if you want to pay for someone’s
abortion or contraceptives, please write a check and send it to Planned
Parenthood. Leave my money alone and stop demonizing me because I don’t want to
pay for others lifestyles choices and mistakes. Stop making me pay for
abortions and contraceptives.  These
women scream “Leave my body alone” and “It’s my body, my choice.”  Here’s what I’m screaming, “Leave my wallet
alone” and “It’s my money, my choice how I spend it.” 

No, she just wants us to pay for her abortions and contraceptives.

Troll troll troll troll. Troll troll troll troll. Troll troll troll troll. SMELLY TROLL.

A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.  Private property is not considered a right under socialism or communism nor is personal choice.  Quit playing around, there are adults speaking here.

Well Dan none of the testimony was about me and you paying for women’s contraception for sex. The testimony, which I must say that I read before forming my opinion, and I read Rush’s show transcripts also before forming an opinion, was mostly about the women that needed horomonal contraception to treat medical conditions, one woman did not get it and lost her ovary. My concern is not birth control for pregnancy prevention. It was also nothing to do with taxpayer funded contraception, that was never ever mentioned, it was about them paying their insurance that is supposed to cover it and the University preventing it, thus they have to pay out of pocket on top of the insurance premiums they pay. Please show me where she talked about taxpayer funded birth control?

You have one study there on the breast cancer, yes, there are studies out there that demonstrate that, and if you do the research you will find also all of the uses for hormonal contraception for other ailments. I for one had to use it for endometriosis.. Every medication has another potential consequence, and there are many studies that demonstrate its reduction in the risk for other cancers. It is all about your need vs. risks and what you have more risk factors for. Use of combined contraceptives containing both estrogen and progesterone is associated with a lower risk for the development of endometrial cancer (50% reduction in risk vs never-use), ovarian cancer (27% decrease in risk), and colorectal cancers. Studies to date suggest that longer duration of OC use is linked to a decreased risk for the development of endometrial and ovarian cancer for up to 20 years after discontinuing use. Current or recent use of oral contraception also may protect against colorectal cancer in the short term (18% decrease in risk).
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/714488

For you, this is just a political debate, for me, it is a personal issue, for other women, it is a fear. You can’t just pull up one study and say that is the end of the story.

During their reproductive years, more than 80% of women in the United States use some form of hormonal contraception, such as oral contraceptive (OC) pills, patches, single-rod progestin and other implants, injections, vaginal rings, and the intrauterine device. In addition to preventing unplanned pregnancies, hormonal contraceptives are used off-label to effectively treat menstrual disorders including dysmenorrhea and menorrhagia.
Up to 90% of young women report dysmenorrhea, which is a leading cause of school and work absenteeism among women. If left untreated, menorrhagia can cause anemia. Approximately three quarters of women with dysmenorrhea respond favourably to combined OC treatment, and the vaginal ring may be equally effective.
The most cost-effective treatment strategy for menorrhagia may be combined OC use for 1 year, followed by use of a levonorgestrel intrauterine device. The levonorgestrel intrauterine system appears to be better than cyclical norethindrone for the treatment of heavy bleeding

Other sources:

Medroxyprogesterone (Depo-Provera). This injectable drug is effective in halting menstruation and the growth of endometrial implants, thereby relieving the signs and symptoms of endometriosis
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/endometriosis/DS00289/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs
* Depo-Provera is hormonal contraception, endometriosis can be a serious condition and can contribute to an increase risk of certain cancers, infertility, hysterectomy, as well as pain and excessive bleeding.

Women with endometriosis seem to have a mildly increased risk for development of certain types of cancer of the ovary, known as epithelial ovarian cancer (EOC), according to some research studies. This risk seems to be highest in women with endometriosis and primary infertility (those who have never borne a child), but the use of oral contraceptive pills (OCPs), which are sometimes used in the treatment of endometriosis, appears to significantly reduce this risk.
http://www.medicinenet.com/endometriosis/page3.htm

The point is Dan, it is up to me and my doctor to decide what is best for me to treat medical conditions, and I should not have to pay extra when I already pay for insurance. We could go on and on with studies, there is not one medicine in the world that doesn’t increase a risk of another problem, but again, when you have one condition, you can’t not treat it because it may cause something else.

So I, for instance, have no family history of breast cancer, but had a bad case of endometriosis, and even after the initial treatment, it grew back and there were signs of pre-cancerous cells. So my risk of ovarian cancer is much higher than that of breast cancer, and so for me, the hormonal contraception was important.

When I was in college, having to pay for it out of pocket, the Depo-Provera injections which was the only form that controlled it 100%, would have been an extra difficulty as I was already paying for health insurance, it is not fair to charge me for my medicine when I am paying to have it covered already.

Oh, hi there dickless liberal. What a surprise to find you trolling on a conservative blog!

Working where? ON HER BACK?!

 You dum dum

NOT when they re taking federal money. THAT is the issue, the one that lost in the media firestorm.   

Then as a conservative, tell me how you think giving public subsidies to the medical insurance industry is justified.

Funny-that’s just what the medical insurance is doing. They receive hefty government subsidies and they have been screaming for the right to do what they want with it. I for one don’t want my tax dollars spent on corporate jets and million-dollar salaries for its CEOs, and certainly not when they are delivering an inadequate product.

This entire thing is to lead the folks away from the real issues. 
Unemployment, the economy, high fuel prices, apology for the Quran
burning, Iran, etc., etc., etc.

Seriously, they’re picking contraception when they could be talking
about finding the cure for cancer, aids, and diabetes….  This
Administration must go!!

“No principles. No truth. No clue. Nobama.”

She has a full scholarship.

Her insurance, since she attends Georgetown Law School is a self funded provider that is paid for by the Catholic Church.  She also was fully aware that Georgetown Law did not offer contraceptives in its student health care plan.  So at best, she is deceitful and dishonest.  Why did her testimony not include her original objectives when accepting the position at Georgetown Law?

Now, unless someone is picking up this harpy’s tuition for her, she is plunkin out well over $60K/yr in tuition and housing alone, to attend Georgetown, and it seems to me that she could afford generic birth control pills that are offered at CVS, Target, Walmart and other major pharmaceutical outlets for $9.00 a month, or a total of $108.00/yr or her sponsors, who are already investing in this woman, could.   Or, if she has zero income (which is doubtful) could have her perscription filled at Planned Parenthood for even less.

Now, I would like you to explain to me what you call a woman who feels that she should be paid by the taxpayers, or the Catholic Church, for being sexually active?  Because hard currency is not the only kind of income; in-kind contributions are also, in many cases, considered income, and reaping income from your sexual activies make you a………………well, you know the term if you are over the age of 12.

Have ever asked WHY rates go up when there are more claims on insurance? In simplest terms it’s because those claims eat into company profits. Since medical insurance is now traded on Wall Street the decisions are made solely based on increasing company profits. It’s not the result of some kind of natural law.And the lack of affordable preventative care is definitely a factor in rising healthcare costs, since many ailments that could have been prevented with early intervention have an astronomical cost to treat when they are full-blown. And that is a FACT.

Really?  Funded by whom?

Why don’t you find out what she actually said before you commment?

It might surprise you to learn that medical insurers frequently lie to people about provided coverage before they buy it, that they often don’t pay on the claims that are supposed to be covered under their contracts, and had given themselves the right to refuse the right to pay any or all of any claim at any time and for any reason they see fit, simply by adding a “disclaimer” to that effect. In short, they gave themselves the right to change the terms of your contract whenever and whyever they want, and they have been getting away with it for years. Since you think you know everything, tell me why that shouldn’t be considered criminal breach of contract.

Why don’t you do a little research on corporate welfare? This will get you started and note that it’s from a conservative source:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb105-9.html  It’s what Republicans are defending when they call these recipients “job creators,” and it costs the public far more than the social programs they want to cut. It brings mind the firestorm over taxing corporate jets. It wasn’t actually a proposed tax. Commercial jets can claim depreciation over 10 years. Corporate jets have been allowed to do it after only 7 years. The proposal was to put to close the 7-year loophole and put them on the same level as commercial jets, generating significant revenue. If you were paying attention you’ll remember these corporate jet owners raised hell over the suggestion that they forego this little piece of the government teat. Tell me if you think that’s defensible or how it benefits the rest of the country.
Here’s another. This is a loophole that Obama wanted to close and that Republicans absolutely refused to consider:
http://www.epi.org/publication/pm120/

Does that mean you don’t know the answer to the question? And does it mean that you think that the slaughter of big chunks of humanity is the exclusive province of the communists?

Interesting, anyone can post anything anymore and without links to back up the position its all just so much hogwash. Good try

This is like the “Beer Summit” thing.  A set up.   It’s ALL a set up.   2012 hurry !

 What does aircraft have to do with some random female halfway across the country expecting others to buy her contraceptive? Exactly.

My point was to illustrate just who the biggest recipients of “welfare” are.

Her “Valid Medical Concern” is her OWN business, you moron. Anyone going to georgetown can afford a pack of rubbers

Excuse me, but your last comment is a bit much to take.  When there are more claims on insurance, it means that there are more COSTS to cover.  And that is true whether the insurance is Government funded or privately funded.  It is nonsense to posture that more claims on insurance is only a problem because of private insurance company profits.

You are not discussing “fact.”  You are engaged in a rhetorical flight from reality.       

Very Interesting.

“The undersigned faculty members…”

The leftists put out a list of of SEVERAL HUNDRED names of “professors” who “strongly condemn the recent personal attacks on our student, Sandra Fluke”

You know how hard it is to get a hold of busy college “professors”, and actually get them to respond to anything in a timely fashion. 

And, we are supposed to believe that this list of several hundred educators just came out of nowhere to “strongly condemn” this “personal attack”, when the entire world constantly comes under attack every day in one way or another.

If they didn’t come out on their own, then on “who’s rolodex” are all these names logged into? – and they they all individually actually “affirm” so quickly, or what this a ‘coordinated’ pre-planned effort to get this list together as part of their fake agitation?

How about making an argument addressed to the merits of the issue?  By engaging in insult like you do, you just establish that you must be the ignorant one.

I spent several years at Blue Cross Blue Shield and years as a healthcare . professional. I KNOW how it works. Granted, what I stated isn’t the entire picture but is certainly fact. The industry’s primary concern is their profit, and you might not be aware that it’s heavily subsidized by the government (government money was why Wall Street got interested in the business in the first place). They put their profits, multimillion-dollar salaries for their CEOs, perqs like corporate jets before the patient and have frequently dropped people from their rolls when they developed a catastrophic illness and started to cost them money, by the abuse of a practice called” rescission.” Also FACT is  that one of the biggest burdens on healthcare costs are people who have serious ailments that could have been prevented with early intervention. Not generally known is that the biggest cost to the companies is” risk assessment”, an involved process designed to screen out any potential for paying claims, and THAT drives the cost more than any other single factor. Incidentally this costly engine isn’t a factor in a single payer public option, because since everyone is enrolled and profit is the goal, it isn’t needed. Neither is the considerable budget for marketing, since marketing is only necessary for a profit-driven concern. I’ve been following the healthcare issue for the past twenty years, long before there was an internet, and I know I’m not the only one who watched healthcare costs spiraling to unsustainable levels while delivering an increasingly inferior product. Healthcare costs were ALREADY rising into the stratosphere before reform, and while the bill is far from perfect, it does address some of the worst abuses, and it should be modified, not repealed.  There is no evidence at this  that “Obamacare is going to cost any more than the current system was already costing us- but if it does, it will be because the bill doesn’t do enough to rein in an industry that has been getting significant amounts of government money, has been fighting for the right to do whatever they want with it, and spent $350 BILLION in lobbying fees alone to prevent reform.
Medical insurance was once a nonprofit concern designed to meet a community need. The problems started when it became a profit-driven commodity. It should be returned to its nonprofit status. If a private insurance company wants to operate for profit, they should do it without a dime of public money. If that were to become the case I have no doubt that Wall Street’s interest in the business would disappear.

Could you repeat that?  LOL

The civil law allows people who feel their contracts have been broken to sue. I do not believe breach of contract  is considered criminal law more civil law, but there is remedy in the court system allowing people to sue for breach of contract and they do so all the time. However, this woman admitted in an interview on TV that the entire reason she enrolled at Georgetown was because she was aware the school’s insurance did not cover “reproductive rights,” and she intended to force change. So she was aware it wasn’t offered, so there is no breach of contract involved.  She thinks because she wants free birth control, the Catholic Church should drop all their beliefs about the sacredness of life and provide for her the options to end life – not going to happen. One thing that attracted me to convert to the Catholic church is that it is one of few that has stood true to the teachings of Jesus and not given in to changing with the winds of time. Sure they had the scandal with the priests that were messing with boys, it was a wake up call to the Church that bad apples had gotten in and they needed to seriously clean up their act, and they have been doing a really good job since then getting the bad apples out. They are going to hold true to what Jesus taught as  best they can, and they are going to give in to this vain woman who thinks she can take on 2000 years of teachings and beliefs so she can save $324 on three years of  birth control. This was an Obama/Pelosi set up from the start, pure BS, and a collection of lies and half truths. I’d sure like to have a name on the friend who lost an ovary due to lack of birth control or the name of the woman “humiliated” when the drug store told her her birth control prescription wasn’t covered by her insurance.   I’ve had medications not covered by my insurance, I either paid myself or told the drugstore to skip it. Sure didn’t find the experience humiliating. 

 So who is going to pay for it. I mandate you pay for it. Its not free and I am not paying for it.

You say taking. I say stealing.

I think Ive seen about 8 different Lib trolls post the same line on here…   Might want to rewatch the opening statements and recompute your programmed response.

You trolls fail to understand if you dont like the coverage you get from one supplier, find another.   Coverage for birth control is normally covered for medical conditions and they are very inexpensive.   And before you start rambling about my supposed lack of knowledge or BS like that, my past history and or any other information about me and my or my associations are none of your business.

You people really need to get back on your meds.  Really.  The doc wasn’t kidding.

 And it shouldn’t. Does Georgetown cover insurance cover viagra.

 She should sue herself for being a pain in the ass,

many typos, aplogies for the typos – sticky keys

And she’s probably certain to rise up through the ranks of the leftist activist front groups just like Obama, Jarrett, and Van Jones did.

Medical insurance has never been a nonprofit concern to meet community needs. It was almost nonexistant prior to the end of WWII and then started  being offered by employers as an enticement to get people to work for them. Insurance, both life insurance, health insurance, car insurance, home owners insurance have always  been, prior to the passage of Medicare/Medicaide a private for profit business with the express purpose of making profits for owners and investors.
Prior to Johnson’s Great Society, hospital were required to do a certain percentage of their work on a charity basis in order to maintain their nonprofit status. No more, Medicaide eliminated that requirement.

Just saw your comments at the Daily Caller, How much is the administration paying you?

The idea that somebody who attended med school might have a larger vocabulary and mental capacity to argue valid points and/or quit repeating the same discredited statements without the use of the word “moron”

You can’t even get your lies straight – SHE stated that she’s there on “public interest scholarships”.
Translation for leftists:  NOT LOANS.

Checkmate, twinkles.
….you’re really not very good at this whole reasoned debate stuff, are you?

No matter whether that airplane cost is depreciated over 7 or 10 yrs, its the same depreciation, just one is accelerated over Fewer Years, and one is a lower amount per year but for more total years.. how is THAT considered Welfare? Its just the difference between getting a 20 yr mortgage or a 30 year mortgage..

same people that paid for Obama’s passage into dictatorship.. 

I agree with your point about the lack of accountability. In the early days of Medicare and Medicade there was virtually no oversight and no acountability for the money that was dispensed, and as a result abuses such as the ones you described were rampant. Having worked as a claims examiner I could relate quite a few similar stories myself.  We’re still living with the results. And it’s also true that medical insurers didn’t create this situation. But they were-and are- in a position to do effect real change. But instead of becoming part of the solution they became part of the problem. Now healthcare, including medical insurance, is controlled by big corporations that are still heavily subsidized by government money, and until the healthcare reform bill lthey were subject to very little regulation and near-zero accountability.(My biggest criticism of the reform bill is that the final product doesn’t do nearly enough to change that.) There have been many attempts at reform over the years, and every time the industry sent lobbyists to Washington to kill the efforts and maintain the status quo. I remember one such episode when I was at BCBS in the 80s. It was about that time insurers, along with everyone else, started to feel the crunch from the rising costs of healthcare services.  At that time there was renewed interest in a public option and a growing push to adopt a system similar to the Canadian one. The company launched an all-out offensive to kill the effort, that included mandatory meeting for employees and a huge ad campaign, the theme of which was “We-have-the-best-heath-care-in-the-world”  “Our current system is just fine the way it is” and horror stories about Canadian patients dying while waiting for healthcare. They used the same rhetoric, almost word for word, that they used in the most recent reform effort, and it was no more true then than it is now. They continued to successfully use it until recently, when it was a much harder sell since it was obviously no longer true. They were still trying to kill reform right up to the day the bill was put to a vote.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/profile.html
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
 

I commend you for at least taking the trouble to find out what she actually said. It appears that most people who have been commenting are basing their opinions solely on what Rush Limbaugh said.

Litigation is costly for both the plaintiff and the taxpayers, and since the insurance companies were allowed to tack on the “disclaimer” in the first place it gives it the force of law, which means that a positive outcome for the plaintiff is dubious. And you many have been unaware of this-it was Bush’s first action in 2005.
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/14-corporations-win-big-on-tort-reform-justice-suffers/
http://blj.ucdavis.edu/archives/vol-6-no-1/The-New-Face-of-Class-Action-Litigation.html
As for the rest of y our comment, the original issue was that the Catholic providers were taking federal money and therefore had to abidr by federal laws. They certainly had the right to forego the money if those laws went against their beliefs, but they can’t have it both ways. These are pretty good commentaries on the issue:
http://www.jedword.com/2012/02/07/mandate-spelling-out-the-requirements-of-a-piece-of-legislation/
http://www.policymic.com/debates/3864
This issue illustratesprecisely why the Founders wanted to keep religion out of government.
“The purpose of separation
of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife
that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” -James Madison,1803 letter objecting use of gov. land
for churches
“History, I
believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil
government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political
as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own
purpose.” -Thomas Jefferson, to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
“Christianity neither is, nor ever
was, a part of the Common Law.” -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

.  
 

What MANDATE?  REALLY you actually think the guy in the white house can say it will be covered and poof it happens.  Did I wake up in the old Soviet Union this morning?  HE DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER!  You people are literally giving away your freedom for what something for FREE!  How stupid can you be?  If this guy can mandate this what can the next guy mandate?  Think ahead because he may not be a Democrat  

Guess who is on the Advisory Board for “Law Students for Reproductive Justice”, ( where Fluke was past G’Town chapter president) – none other than Representative Louise Slaughter….hmmmmmm.

So she works against human trafficking… that means she’s pushing on Obama to secure the border?  Wait… How?…  Perhaps you don’t understand what a paradox it is for a Democrat to be fighting human trafficking… especially when it’s the number 1 crime in Arizona where Barack is fighting against protecting our borders.

You don’t realize what a fraud this woman is.  You just blindly take sides.  You believe what you’re fed.  Go back to sleep.

And did you read that Rush Limbaugh has lost his seventh advertiser, Land o Goshen…God Amighty…Meanwhile, in Kansas City some black kids poured gas on a white kid and lit him on fire, shouting “You deserve it Whitey”. 

So do I- and it doesn’t exactly jibe with the “free market” principles they make so much noise about. I have often asked people to take a good look at the ones who scream the loudest about  the evils of “government interference” and “government regulation-” then take a closer look at just how big a hand in the public till.

Who decided that her sex life makes her a “slut?”

LOL!  I love it, now the trolls are fighting the trolls.  ’seems to be a bit of a hormone problem in this thread.

This is the kind of dirty trick that makes me scream “we wuz took”!  A 30 yr old activist homosexual posing as a 23 yr old promiscuous “girl”?
And it’s only March, 2012.  Shoud be an interesting year. 

Further investigation might prove Ms. Fluke a red diaper doper baby.  A 30 year old radical. 

 When one testifys before Congress one is under oath and subject to the laws for perjury.  Pat Dollard is not under oath and can make up this shit as he goes along, which he does.

No, the Founders wanted not to have an established national Chuch while having the free exercise of religion.  That is why the First Amendment has the language it does.  Jefferson’s different separation language has been misinterpreted to mean a hostility to religion.  That was not what Jefferson meant. He sent the Marine Band to play at the Church services held at the Capitol building during his Administration. 

Who woes who an apology?

Well there you go again, you just need to ask questions rather than make assumptions. I am very gainfully self employed and I do have excellent healthcare actually. In the past, I have been denied medications that were needed, for which I had to pay out of pocket, and it was for a woman’s health care issue. And these girls were denied medically necessary hormonal contraception treatment for a serious illness. And your quotes around serious illness, you don’t understand the issues but yet you feel qualified to speak. Again, there is the problem.

Yes I replied to the wrong statement, big deal. The issue is still the issue.

And the women that did not get the treatment for the illnesses? Which is what I care about. That happened, and it happens a lot. Which I don’t need Sandra’s testimony to tell me. And I am tired of women being charged twice, once via insurance and then again out of pocket. And I read her testimony for myself and I also read Rush’s show transcrpits before I formed an opinion on the topic.

Unlike you, I do have first hand experience on the issue. Despite the fact that you can go to any medical website, WebMD, Mayo Clinic, anything, and in about a minute learn about all the many conditions treated with hormonal contraception, some very serious, people like you just will not face it, which is why, sadly, in the 21st century women’s advocacy is still necessary.

You keep replying to me about sex, and all I am focused on is health care.

“Some do take pills to regulate their periods” and to treat a number of medical conditions some very serious. I have explained it in numerous posts here, and I have not engaged in name calling, despite people calling me names. It does not make me a Marxist to not want to be paying for insurance and then also have to pay out of pocket for something my doctor says that I need that is typically covered, but someone else, not a medical professional, says I should not have, or holds up the treatment. I have been through this before, and having to pay $350 a month for 10 months for medication that was supposed to be covered on top of the premiums that I am already paying for is not okay.

That is exactly the issue. It was not just her, there were numerous cases of the university getting in the way of the coverage even when it was medically necessary, which was the main focus of her testimony, and an issue that needs to be dicussed and work out. It is very hard to discuss the issue and work it out fairly when there are so many not taking the time to look at the facts and getting caught up in the circus, and the lies about so much sex and taxpayer funding.

$350 billion in lobbying fees? It show that your comment full of it. The entire amount of money spent by all industries lobbying in all history doe not add to that figure.

 The hormones in contraceptives are present in other medication that can be prescribed as hormonal therapy. The insurance plan does not need to cover hormonal contraceptives, that, by the way, are really cheap. Also, hormones are very dangerous and using them for long periods is not preventive care, if anything, increases the risk of cardiovascular disease and certain cancers.

The hormones in contraceptives are present in other medication that can
be prescribed as hormonal therapy. The insurance plan does not need to
cover hormonal contraceptives that, by the way, are really cheap. Also,
hormones are very dangerous and using them for long periods is not
preventive care, if anything, increases the risk of cardiovascular
disease and certain cancers.

No she does not, she has insurance that she pays for. But you seem like a true class act with the name calling there.

You are so right, my freedom to have the insurance I pay for cover medically necessary treatment normally covered is being eroded by third parties.

These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases,women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer direconsequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndromeand has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries.Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s notintended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans,it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, orRepresentative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception bemade for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’taccomplish their well-intended goals because when you let universityadministrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictatewhose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes aback seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

Well you can go to any medical website, Mayo Clinic, WebMD, and gyno, ob/gyn, and it is pretty common knowledge that hormonal contraception is used to treat medical conditions.

Sorry but your facts are just not correct.

Well that is good for you I guess but not for me.

These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases,women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer direconsequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndromeand has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries.Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s notintended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans,it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, orRepresentative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception bemade for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’taccomplish their well-intended goals because when you let universityadministrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictatewhose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes aback seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

Um, no it does not, do you want to provide any evidence of where that is stated? I can tell you from first hand experience of having a sever case of endometriosis. After initial surgery and hormonal treatments, I spent a decade on first the pill and then Depo-Provera (birth control injections) because it was growing back. The pill first slowed it down and the Depo-Provera halted it completely. Today I no longer use it, have no evidence of the endometriosis ever being there and am 100% fine, after the initial illness which caused severe pain, excessive bleeing, cysts, infections, and pre-cancerous cells. That all ended after the initial treatments and when I went on the birth control pills.

Furthermore, it is up to the doctor to recommend the treatment.

From the Mayo Clinic:

Hormonal contraceptives. Birth control pills, patches and vaginal rings help control the hormones responsible for the buildup of endometrial tissue each month. Most women have lighter and shorter menstrual flow when they’re using a hormonal contraceptive. Using hormonal contraceptives — especially continuous cycle regimens — can reduce or eliminate the pain of mild to moderate endometriosis.

Medroxyprogesterone (Depo-Provera). This injectable drug is effective in halting menstruation and the growth of endometrial implants, thereby relieving the signs and symptoms of endometriosis. Its side effects can include weight gain, decreased bone production and depressed mood.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/endometriosis/DS00289/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs

WebMD:

Birth control hormones (patch, pills, or ring) create hormone levels in the body that are similar to pregnancy. This stops monthly ovulation and the growing, shedding, and bleeding that makes endometriosis painful. Birth control hormones improve endometriosis pain for most women.5 And birth control hormones are the hormone therapy that is least likely to cause bad side effects. For this reason, many women can use them for years. Other hormone therapies can only be used for several months to 2 years. For more general information on birth control hormones, see Birth control pill, patch, or ring.

What To Think About
Ovarian cancer risk is higher in women who have endometriosis.2 Using birth control hormones for 5 or more years lowers this risk.8

http://women.webmd.com/endometriosis/endometriosis-medications

John Hopkins:
Your doctor may prescribe low-dose oral contraceptive pills. They work by suppressing ovulation and menstruation, thereby keeping symptoms under control. Evidence also suggests that this treatment may reduce the endometriotic implants.

When she is planning to have children is the most critical question physicians at Johns Hopkins will ask. This will define future treatments and the approach to treatment.
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/gynecology_obstetrics/specialty_areas/gynecological_services/conditions/endometriosis.html#Treatment

GUESS YA JUST MISSED ALL OF THIS, HUH?

Just another lifetime college student ,we see a lot more of them now !

If she could have got the Democrats to change it from 26 to 62 to stay on the parents  they could stay on to retirement and elimated all that work in between !

What is Planned Parenthood for, a taxpayer funded organization speifically geared toward womens health and low cost?

How precisely do they support a :higher morality.”

$14.50 / month for the pill required to “cure’ this woman’s endomitriosis. She can afford that. PERIOD

You have actually just illustrated my biggest objection to the bill and the principle reason that it isn’t likely to to affect the costs- the private insurers still control the process in the end. Single payer public option does make economic sense-to name a few reasons: If you’re in the healthcare industry you must know that the single biggest cost involved in private insurance is risk assessment. In a public option it isn’t necessary since everyone is enrolled without prejudice. There is also no need for a marketing budget, since marketing is only necessary when operating for profit (I don’t know what the figures are now, but when I was at BCBS the marketing budget was about 38%.) The third-party payer system used by insurance companies is far less cost effective than single payer. And there is no question that lack of affordable basic care prevents early intervention for ailments that place a huge strain on the system when they become full-blown.
The potential costs due to the reform bill have yet to be established, but the costs of NOT instituting drastic reform have, and the numbers aren’t pretty. For years the industry successfully killed any attempt at reform whenever it came up by flooding Washington with lobbyists (over 4500 for the last one- roughly 8 per congressmember) and flooding the airwaves with we-have-the-best-health-care-in-the-world messages and horror stories about socialized medicine, most of which were untrue.  (I clearly remember one episode at BCBS some 20 years ago-costs were beginning to rise and there was a serious push to adopt a system similar to the Canadian one. The company launched an all-out offensive against it which included mandatory meetings to hear about the evils of the Canadian system and how wonderful the status quo was . It struck me, most forcefully that they used the same rhetoric, almost word for word, in the most recent attempt to kill reform, and was is no more true now than it was then.). Since then I’ve witnessed hundreds of abuses by insurances companies as they raised rates, cut services and refused to pay even what they were contracted to do by way of adding a “disclaimer.” 
There is NO system that’s going to perfect, and changing the behemoth that our healthcare system has become is NOT going to be accomplished in a single legislative act. But repealing the bill would be a huge mistake. Modifications, definitely, but it anyone should be able to grasp that if it’s repealed we are not going to see healthcare reform on the table again in our lifetime. 

What makes health care rates go up. It’s determined by what the market will bear & the mandate makes it a captive market that will be made to bare a lot. Obamacare amounts to slavery. We will have to pay more than we can afford to cripple us so that we cannot oppose the criminality that has become our government

Wow three left wing  sites, a shocker ! You support a bill wrote behind locked doors , with 3000 pages .With blank after blank  saying to be determand latter  !
Some start .
 

Free market is offering the services you want to offer, and people choosing to attend/partake of your services, or NOT. Forcing a Catholic Institution to provide contraceptives is not only NOT a free market, it is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

They are taking federal money via the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives. If they take federal money they have to abide by federal guidelines. If they have a problem with that, they can forego the money. END OF STORY.
Personally I think the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, created by Bush, is a clear violation of 1st Amendment and should never have been allowed to happen to begin with. This whole debacle illustrates why the Founders wanted to keep religion OUT of government.
“The purpose of separation
of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife
that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” -James Madison,1803 letter objecting use of gov. land
for churches
“History, I
believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil
government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political
as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own
purpose.” -Thomas Jefferson, to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
“Christianity neither is, nor ever
was, a part of the Common Law.” -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814
 

(It’s called social stigma; which in many cases is simply reflective of plain common sense morality.) Do you think American society is better off with things like promiscuity and extra-marital sex being more socially-accepted?  Well over a million abortions a year in the country, a 50% illegitimacy rate among women under 30, a decline in new marriages (except for same sex couples), and a growing permanent poverty class, can all be traced back to the “sexual liberation” and radical feminism movement of the 60s and 70s.

I learned of routine medicaid and mediCal “gray area” fraud that would astonish some people.  Just because someone has acquired a doctor’s license does not mean they “automatically” have moral integrity.

“Social stigma?” That and sexual morality are artificial constructs. The idea that a woman should be stigmatized because of her sexual habits, that children should be stigmatized by a preceived notion of “illegitimacy” that women and children should be  forced to be bound by this manmade moral code is something I consider very immoral. You can make a better case for the social evils resulting from those attitudes. And the idea that the “growing permanent poverty class” is caused by sexual liberation and feminism is completely ludicrous.

 It’s quite simple .. the Political Correctness crowd get to define the ‘acceptable’ terms and therefore shape the debate. The liberal construct is that there are no absolutes of right or wrong.  Therefore terms which categorize people according to where they fall on some continuum be it intelligence (Genius, Bright, Average, Slow, Retarded, Moron, Idiot)  or moral behavior per the dictates of their religious beliefs are somehow judgmental and wrong.

This is analogous to playing sports where there are no winners or losers.  Heaven forbid we should honestly express an opinion concerning norther’s behavior. There are so many underused terms in the English language that have been banished to obscurity by the left and that need to be resurrected.  The left seems to think they own the word “Shame” and can apply it to their enemies at will.

However I would contend that the behavior exhibited by Ms. Fluke is shameful in that she intentionally enrolled at Georgetown as a provocateur.  The frequency with which she has sex is debatable but her public pronouncements of the statistics leads one to conclude she is promiscuous at least and if the ‘slut’ shoe fits then wear it … otherwise admit your numbers are as inflated as your sense of importance.

You ma’am are an agent of the secularists who seek to erode the moral fiber of our great nation.  Not through your promiscuity but through your determined effort to force a religious institution to violate one of their sacred beliefs.  There is but one theing you should feel … Shame.        

And how does she (being an absolute zero nobody), manage to testify to Congress?  Is she really just a shill for the Democrats?

And where did the money come from?

2 problems with that Idiotic statement,,  first is the idea that if they take federsal money then they need to abide boy some federal rules,,  Well Idiot,, the constitution says that congress shall pass no law restricting the free exercose there of,, ,, it doesnt say except if they take federal money,,,   so the liberal argument that you made doesn’t apply,, there are NO exceptions,,  but you libtards are pretty stupid,,   and lets say for the sake of argument taht you had a leg to stand on,,  the federal government givers them money for the express purpose of funding some of thier hospitals for the poor,, you see they already have the hospitals and its much cheaper for the government to ASK the Catholic Church to help treat even more of the poor with those hospitals,,  so a dummass like you would rather that these hospitals dont take any money and therefore treat less people,,yes thats the argument your making,, you act like the money os going into the Popes pocket,,  no the money goes to help poor in need of medical treatment,,  I say  have it your way and let the government tax you even more to build those fine hospitals instead of the Catholic ones,,    you really sahould look at it as if the Catholic church is doing the government a favor by doing what liberals say is the governments responsibility,”taking care of the poor”  so when the government asks for a favor they shouldnt be trying to impose unconstitutional requirements on them for doing a favor for the government,,  maybe you need to take off the liberal blinders off your glasses and see past your own hate and stupidity

You have missed the point: The Churches are taking federal money via the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, which weas created by Bush to dispense money to religious institutions, If its very existence isn’t a clear violation of the Constitution, I don’t know what is, and I think it should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. But while it is exists, if they want public money then should follow public guidelines and if they have a problem with those guidelines they should forego the money. Period. They should not expect to receive it unconditionally, any more than you would expect any financial institution to give you a loan or a grant without any conditions attached to it regarding its use. Taking public money and try to determine its use based on religious beliefs is a violation of the taxpayers’ rights who don’t share their relgious beliefs, which is why the guidleines are there in the first place. No one questions the good works of these hospitals-it was the stated reason for creating the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives in the first place. But this whole debacle illustrates why the Founders wanted to keep religion OUT of government in the first place.
“The purpose of separation
of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife
that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” -James Madison, 1803 letter objecting use of gov. land
for churches
“Christianity neither is, nor ever
was, a part of the Common Law.” -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr.Thomas Cooper, 1814
.

.  
 As for “hate and stupidity” you certainly are projecting yours.

This whole debacle illustrates why the Founders wanted to keep religion OUT of government and why the Office of Faith-based Initiatives should never have been allowed to happen. Tell me how its very existence isn’t unconstitutional.

Disagree that the intent was to keep religion out of government. Rather the intent was to be non-denominational as there were few (admitted) atheists at that time.
The faith based initiative had some attractive attributes since churches an missions (Salvation Army) are much more in tune with the needs of those they serve and do do with far less of the money being siphoned off to highly paid administrators

What a slut… OOPS!  I meant to say, poor college student.

This is all a load of crap…. it’s all smoke in mirrors.

Do you believe in war? Do you believe that there are times when it is necessary? Because war is nothing less than mass murder. Do you support capital punishment? Do you think that there are  some individuals that deserve the death penalty? That is nothing less than state-sanctioned murder. Do you believe that some women deserved to be raped because “they were just asking for it?” That SHE was guilty because of her dress or her behavior and not the man who couldn’t control his behavior (or didn’t think he had to)? And speaking of hate crimes, do you not see that that is exactly what Rush Limbough is perpetuating?

How much of our US tax dollars are being wasted on her attending college as well as Georgetown University? Need a special investigation as a tax fraud….congress or DOJ or IRS…

The SLUT in chief

No one going to Georgetown Law School is a “victim.” she’s a 1%’er

A fake, fraud, liar.

he is a COMMIE PIG..

The only thing more phony than Sandra Fluke is Eric Holder’s integrity, David Axelrod’s honesty, and the AP’s reporting on the employment numbers. Anything to prop up the Narcissist-in-Chief. She is tied to Chairman Mao worshiping Anita Dunn

Everyone, check out Megan Kelley’s comments on this WH/Anita Dunn plant. Megan is a bit of a Libtard sometimes, but not on this one. BTW, did anyone notice that on the fateful Weds. that Rush fell for the plant, did anyone notice that Glenn Beck and his guys did a hilarious bit on the same thing, including implied “prostitute and slut” as well. Carbonite (that phony crappy company) didn’t seem to mind at all, just like they didn’t care when Ed Schultz called Laura Ingraham a “Right Wing Talk Slut” but they had their little panties in a wad over an analogy by Limbaugh. Gee, I wonder if it has to do with the Conservative King of Talk versus a doofus lefty with no audience. 

I’m not impressed with her and Andrea Mitchell, what a suckup.

Doesn’t it seem ludicrous to educate people to feel shame for doing what comes naturally? That that it should be considered  “higher morality”to do so?

Artificial constructs?  We used to live in an orderly society with common-sense constructs so that a man knew if he was the father of his child!  But when liberal-progressive-socialists have done so much to destroy families (Mother/Father/child) in order to become our “BIG DADDY/BIG BROTHER, why stigmatize a woman any more than my pet cat?  The growing permanent poverty class is what comes of disorder in a society of moral relativism.  Whatever.  Right?

Sometimes war IS necessary and the ultimate result of breakdown in orderly societies.  Capital punishment is what sociopathic murder merits, to protect future victims from incorrigible beings who may be human-in-name-only (hinos). There are certain laws and rules in human society for the survival of that society.
Nobody deserves to be raped but just what punishment should be meted to the rapist, in your opinion?  Should we forgive him and be tolerant and look into his childhood for an excuse?  Did his mommy hit him with his potty seat when he was four? 

Don’t paraphrase. Rush was an idiot and that was why he was sorry. It is embarrassing to be fooled by a Anita Dunn/WH Plant setup by Nancy Pelosi. He certainly wasn’t a victim as his blowhard response elevated it unnecessarily. He in fact granted stardom to a useless, whining, pawn of the White House that was only set up to distract from the Narcissist’s incredibly poor judgement in dealing with the issue. Pelosi must have been beside herself when Limbaugh stepped into a trap they never even set. 
Glenn Beck and his guys said all the same things, just a bit more nuanced and the incredibly phony Carbonite, LegalZoon, Citrix, et al are still advertising on his show, as well as David Friend (how’s that Carbonite stock Dave?) never pulling anything from Ed Schultz’s show after his “Right Wing Talk Slut” comment about Laura Ingraham. But despite the selective outrage of the fools, make no mistake here, and I will very clear for you, Limbaugh’s incredible lack of judgement was the catalyst.
He was equally ignorant on the Joseph Kony issue which is now being lampooned under the current Invisible Children scam. There are time it is best to just be quiet and study something first. When I first heard the blatherings of the insipid Fluke on Beck’s show, I knew she was a DNC or other lberal special interest plant in 30 seconds. It couldn’t have been more obvious. But I had to research it to know.

The real question is who’s doing her?

I suppose by your criteria, Chris Matthews and Soledad O’Brien are?

 She never lied to congress.  She never went before congress.  She appeared before a press conference orchestrated by the Dems. 

fluke has been exposed, but not acknowledged…par for the liberal course.

 You’re just another stupid Leftist Moron.  Shut Up Already..!  We are ALL tired of hearing Leftist Crap..!

 No … It doesn’t..!  What is ludicrous is that people like you dare to think of themselves as intelligent.! 

 I DO..!   Shock and Awe Baby.. Shock and Awe..!  

Rush Limbaugh is a genuine US of A Hero..!  God Bless Rush Limbaugh..!

 The point is YOU are an A-Hole..!

 You are such an ignorant A-Hole..!  Brainwashed Leftist Idiot..!

 Stupid Leftist Commie Pig..!

 Just Shut the F Up Already You Stupid Leftist Pig..!  Nobody except YOU really gives a Sh it What YOU think about anything..!  You are a delusional Moron with delusions of intelligence.  NEWS FLASH—- YOU are dumber than a toad beneath a tire..!

 You really are a dum bass idiot..!  Your ‘facts’ are made up as you go..!  Typical Leftist Commie B.S.

If you think that Rush Limbaugh is or ever was a credible source then you have no idea what
reality is. You speak with the conviction of the ignorant.

And you think that Glenn Beck is a credible source?

The evidence is her activities and her resume. She intentionally went for her advanced law degree to prestigious school for her own professional benefit, fully knowing she was in opposition to their healthcare, but willing to accept it ostensibly by her own words. She then started on a course to right a wrong that she perceived, but in fact is not at all wrong and is in fact a consistent position by Georgetown on healthcare benefits which are not at all a “right”. 
When she was put up to Issa’s committee, she was then denied appearance due to being considered inexpert. Her stories about her friends were false and unsubstantiated and were only made public by participating in a sham hearing concocted by Nancy Pelosi. Now that she is in her 15 minutes of Cindy Sheehan-like fame, she is booked into appearances by a shadowy source, and she is linked directly to Chairman Mao loving Anita Dunn. Further Georgetown University stated that in her highly anecdotal presentation was totally inaccurate concerning coverage. She is, and has been for quite some time, an activist. But an innocent victim? Hardly. 
Fluke did have an interesting benefit. She did show the total hypocrisy of the left, exposed Ed Schultz and Bill Maher to scrutiny for their treatment of women, and Carbonite has dropped 60% off its highest earnings since David Friend was exposed as a ultra-liberal donor, and hypocrite as well. 

I have just spent quite a bit if time reading these comments and I now think I may have an answer to the problem. As a matter of fact, MOST of our problems. There seems to be a few things in the way of the world getting to a place where those of us that wish to can live reasonably safe, healthy, happy lives with the earth able to sustain us: 1.Overpopulation  2.The inability for people to have civilized discourse and work out their problems  3.The tendency for the lesser evolved among us to still feel that anger and conflict is the only way to solve anything.  4. The amazing belief that one’s views are always right.
So – I propose that we just give weapons to the people on this, and other similar, forums, and an established area in which to work things out in the way that they believe is best.  
Seems like most of the problems would be solved.

Her looks alone have a higher efficacy than her combined use of the pill, a condom, and spermicide.

DTN has an in-depth bio of this playa. Its posted on UCV and Discover the Networks. Thank you  Mr. Horowitz. If anyone can spot a Marxist playa, he can.

Well, if she’s not a hooker getting paid for it, based on the amount of sex she claims to have, thats a slut in my world.

seems to me that if these ladies wish free birth control we should give them free condoms … less expensive and as reliable .. no side effects, can even be used if you are of plan to become pregnant etc. …  Liberals seem to think they are sufficient for even grade school levels of intelligence … so whats the big deal … have the school just make them available at the nurses office … smiling. 

S elling herself to
L ie for government taxpayer funded contraceptives, abortions even though
U gly as sin in what she says and does, all she Fluke wants to do is

T ake our money so she can have sex at 30 years of age.

OMG,,,,what a dog!!!! And the President is even a bigger dog…

Fluke looks like a BULLDIKE to me, of course she doesn’t need any contraceptives, now does she.   and if she wasn’t could you really see any man with standards being attracted to that manly looking thing enough to get a hardon???  

BARF!!!!  

Are you really as stupid as you pretend to be?  Her testimony was about the cost of birth control medication prescribed as a preventive for disease like ovarian cancer.  Whether it’s used that way or as contraceptive, the amount of sex someone has is completely irrelevant to the conversation.  Rush Limbaugh revealed not only his misogyny but his complete ignorance by mischaracterizing her testimony as being about how much sex she was having.  By the way, tuition at Georgetown Law is quite high and includes medical insurance.  Rush Blabberbaugh did not have to pay anything toward her medications.  How much did we all pay for his Oxycontin or his blue M&Ms?

Hey Liberty Valance- Look at her, it’ll take at least 30 years

 Her insurance pays for it? Wasn’t this about Obamacare and who pays for that? We all will pay for it even if Obamacare makes me pay for things that are against my conscience, such as abortion is. I believe abortion is taking a human life which is muder in my book! When I buy an insurance policy I can decide what I want or don’t want covered. Duh…

its so easy to pull the wool over the eyes of people that arent informed,most people are like sheep and they follow the voice of fools,its what our so called leaders are counting on.

why sandra fluke does a lesbian need birth control??

susan fluke will make $160,000 to start as a lawyer and she cant afford birth control?  And why does a lesbian need birth control anyway??/

Hey I know a bunch of guys that will do her and bring their own,,,$0.50  cheap date!!

And she just happened to be scheduled to go on BSNBC (Barack’s Shill NBC) and the president just “happened” to call her right before she went on the air…  ? Right! My God! They must try to remember that 50% of the voters in this country aren’t stupid! Stop being used Ms. Fluke. Put on your big girl panties and pay for your own birth control! Basic health care does not include contraception, except in a small minority of cases for hormone imbalance, etc. You want to play? Then you pay! Why should I?